The future of Arc'teryx LEAF

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fellows, got a question which is not nessasarly related to arcteryx but because i use their gear a lot i thought it will fit in here best.

I´m using the chimera shirt in summer time and the sphinx shirt in spring and fall as a kind of combat shirt. for summer the chimera is awesome just not for hard use, i´m missing ellbow protection and also neck protection or doubled material for caring a plate carrier on the shoulders. the shinx shirt got that is just to warm/thick for summer, so i have to wear a t-shirt underneath it. is or will there be a in between solution from arcteryx in the near future most likly in crocodile or do u guys have an other option for me?

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Molon Labe

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Why has the Talos shirt not been considered for this use? It seems that you are looking for something more like the Sphinx, then the Chimera represents.

I write that, because I recall my Chimera shirt having both reinforced elbows and shoulders, as well as a minimalist collar. While it may not be what you're looking for, I wouldn't go so far a to say it lacks those features.

Jules

talos is also an idea but not available in crocodile.
the sphinx is perfect for what i wanna use it for, but like i wrote it´s too thick for summer. so looking for a lighter version. so talos in crocodile would be awesome. chimera works good for me with chestrig, but with plate carrier and rifle sling it rubs my neck to much that it will feel uncomfortable after a while.

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Molon Labe

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I gotcha.

What features make the Sphinx config so attractive? Could they be duplicate in another combat shirt, at a modest price (ie. mod a quarter zip shirt to have zippers up the seam of its sleeves, and a strap behind the bicep).

In the meantime, perhaps a scarf or a mesh veil wrapped around the neck would suffice?

Jules

what i like a lot that the torso of the sphinx is a lightweight breathable material and it streches too, the shoulderparts and arms are out of a different material that patterns your shoulders when u wear a plate carrier and is also waterresistant. another feature on it, is like u already said that u can roll the sleeves up and get a short sleeve shirt.
that was my question if there will be something similar out there which might be a bit thinner materialwise. cause i use the sphinx more like a pullover in spring and fall with a t-shirt underneath, but in summer it will be to warm for me.

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Molon Labe

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I just checked the LEAF website for the first time in a while, and I can no longer view the LEAF items. After logging in the only items available are the standard civilian products.

Has anyone else had this experience?

Rick

The essence of war is violence. Moderation in war is imbecility. John A. Fisher

WOW, what a price increase!!! Would have been nice if there was a heads up prior to the increase, kinda like LRT did for its loyal customers!

I love my Arcteryx stuff, but that is not much of a price break, a lot of retailers come close and beat that price on their specials. Prior to the LEAF site, Arcteryx was 40-50% off at LEO Adventures for Public Servants.

Hopefully they will some Christmas specials like they did several years ago. As I have been waiting on the bibs and few other items.

USASOF
Any word on when some of the Drac stuff will be back in stock?

Cheers, Matt

"It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task."    Publius Vergilius Maro, The Aeneid

Some of the civi items are direct cross overs, (like the Atom LT) and other's are LEAF specific.

I hope the TALOS top and pants are comin out in Tan and for the stuff that comes in grey to come back in stock on the pro sight.

Cheers, Matt

"It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task."    Publius Vergilius Maro, The Aeneid

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Originally posted by usasof:
WOW, what a price increase!!! Would have been nice if there was a heads up prior to the increase, kinda like LRT did for its loyal customers!

I love my Arcteryx stuff, but that is not much of a price break, a lot of retailers come close and beat that price on their specials. Prior to the LEAF site, Arcteryx was 40-50% off at LEO Adventures for Public Servants.

Hopefully they will some Christmas specials like they did several years ago. As I have been waiting on the bibs and few other items.

USASOF


Agreed.

With these increases, Arcteryx is pricing themselves out of the reach of the individual officer/military member. Sad because they make a great product.

That combined with the lack of any real Arcteryx support here on the site, I think I'll be looking elsewhere for my next jacket.
Mostly the hard shells that I noticed.

I was looking to pick up a hard shell top & bottom prior to doing my next tour, but with the new LEAF prices found I found it hard to justify the expenditure and went with a Wild Things Hardshell.

BTW - did notice that REI currently has some of the Arcteryx civilian line marked heavily down (and other name brand gear) on clearance while it lasts. If you have a store close by, check it out.

Searching around I also came across a Sabre SV jacket online for only $230... (usually retails at $450+) so I snagged it up for a potential R&R ski trip. Arrived yesterday.
Arc'teryx stuff is usually cheaper to buy if you shop around than trying to buy through the LEAF program. It's a sad fact of life but like others have stated they are pricing themselves out of reach of the individual. Hell I know that units with big budgets aren't able to get their stuff due to the overwhelming cost. The gear may be great but when you can buy 3 of a like item for the cost of 1 of yours it's time to revise the pricing.
I queried LEAF on Facebook to get Lav (logo's successor) to get here soon to appease us. They ACK'd and said he'd be in shortly. Only a week into the job.

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Originally posted by geronimo:
Arc'teryx stuff is usually cheaper to buy if you shop around than trying to buy through the LEAF program. It's a sad fact of life but like others have stated they are pricing themselves out of reach of the individual. Hell I know that units with big budgets aren't able to get their stuff due to the overwhelming cost. The gear may be great but when you can buy 3 of a like item for the cost of 1 of yours it's time to revise the pricing.


Absolutely this. As a cop, I spend more on gear than 90% of those I work with, and even I think the pricing is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by liliysdad:
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Originally posted by geronimo:
Arc'teryx stuff is usually cheaper to buy if you shop around than trying to buy through the LEAF program. It's a sad fact of life but like others have stated they are pricing themselves out of reach of the individual. Hell I know that units with big budgets aren't able to get their stuff due to the overwhelming cost. The gear may be great but when you can buy 3 of a like item for the cost of 1 of yours it's time to revise the pricing.


Absolutely this. As a cop, I spend more on gear than 90% of those I work with, and even I think the pricing is ridiculous.


The pricing has gone past "justifiable" and well beyond my reach - the reach of the individual Officer looking for reliable equipment to use when it counts, who's willing to spend hard-earned money for what they can rely on.

For me - and me only, I obviously don't speak for the board - this last increase (and a significant one at that) unfortunately puts Arc'teryx out of my reach. I'm going to be forced to look to their competitors.

That's ok though. Those who think The Bird is the only game in town is sorely mistaken.
They never have been the only game in town, but over the long haul, after you begin replacing a Wild Things jacket every 6 months from hard use, don't want to support TAD's home-grown-radicalism tendencies, don't want buy day-glo sweatshop rags from REI, and just want some conservatively styled lifetime-guarantee goodness, then an investment in the Bird seems less of a reach. Is this a defense of their price increase? Not at all. That's on them. *Having some insight into what the material costs are for certain fabrics and textiles they buy, I would assume they felt justified for this.(There was some backlash over the OBR price increase recently... and yet the backorder status never fluctuated, and the Costa Special Edition sold out in record time. Oh, well.)

There can be a tendency of entitlement mindset when it comes to discounted pricing when every company has a "special pricing available", and there are hordes of schmucks (i.e., me, for many many years) out there paying retail or some paltry %-off discount until we smartened up and found our own oasis to buy through/from. "That's ridiculous!" -yeah, but you still weren't/aren't paying retail. You didn't have a problem buying everything in stock when it was steeply discounted. What's changed? Price? Shop smarter. Sell the crap you don't need, etc.

Is it still the best you can get? Yes, or no? Or was it the best -and you were getting a slammin' deal on it?

We buy $500 pistols, and $1500-$2500 ARs, that need expensive parts to maintain and use, and pay $500-$1K for an ammo allotment for a training evo -but balk at buying a garment that is a)guaranteed, b)arguably the best available to keep you performing, c) see A.

Capitalism is a freedom I support for both company -and consumer. At the same time, I may not be at a place where I can buy every top in the LEAF line, but it may push me to buy the top I need.

Such is life. But the anger over this is a bit of stretch.

Buy the best you can, when you can.
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The answer to 1984 is 1776.

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Make no doubts about it my brother, it's not anger. I understand that material increases, worker wages, etc. all come into play.

I also agree that The Bird is one of the - if not THE - best name in the game. Every single item from them I have experience with is top of the line.

My point is that with the increases in the LEAF line, they're pricing themselves out of the reach of the individual officer. I don't know if they're moving more towards a "unit/group" purchase model or what.

Am I mad/furious/upset/full of hate for them? No. That's their decision as a company. I'm simply stating that their increases have been significant, and lets face it - they weren't inexpensive to begin with.

I didn't pay $500 for my Glock. Paying more for a rain jacket than I did my duty weapon is a bit of a stretch for folks to justify. It's going to drive people away to their competitors, especially in this economy.
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Originally posted by Dog Off Leash:


I didn't pay $500 for my Glock. Paying more for a rain jacket than I did my duty weapon is a bit of a stretch for folks to justify. It's going to drive people away to their competitors, especially in this economy.


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Edited: Buy it, don't buy it -you're still not paying retail. Carry on.
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"Its not about shooting, its about fighting with a gun." -Pat Rogers


The answer to 1984 is 1776.

"I prefer evil sits in daylight for all to see rather than be hidden, forgotten about and possibly repeated." -Consigliere
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Originally posted by Miraclejoe:
quote:
Originally posted by Duke:
don't want to support TAD's home-grown-radicalism tendencies


Details?


Search?
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"Its not about shooting, its about fighting with a gun." -Pat Rogers


The answer to 1984 is 1776.

"I prefer evil sits in daylight for all to see rather than be hidden, forgotten about and possibly repeated." -Consigliere
quote:
Originally posted by Duke:
quote:
Originally posted by Miraclejoe:
quote:
Originally posted by Duke:
don't want to support TAD's home-grown-radicalism tendencies


Details?


Search?


Did google/bing searches for TAD/triple Aught Design/radicalism/radical and nothing came up.

ETA: Still searching and I'm not getting anything on LF or WWW. Must not be using the right key words.
There is 9 pages right above you that is a good place to start. It's called TAD GEAR NEWS, it's in bold, and it's a sticky. Start on page one.
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"Its not about shooting, its about fighting with a gun." -Pat Rogers


The answer to 1984 is 1776.

"I prefer evil sits in daylight for all to see rather than be hidden, forgotten about and possibly repeated." -Consigliere

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