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I just received the new Bravo Jacket (revised). No pockets on the sleeves (con for me), little different cut for mobility (plus) and some new material sewn in cuff that is more snug making difficult to get hands in and out of if you have very large hands (con)

I must say I am a little disappointed. Increase in price, two less zippered pockets, cuffs could easily have been velcro on this update to accommodate people of all hand sizes . I think the fabric is a little different as well. Oh made in China as well.
To my knowledge only the BERRY compliant items are made in USA/Canada. I was at Western Canada's largest LEAF dealer and every garment on the rack was made outside of North America except the Hardshells (Canada).

I'm debating another purchase aside from another hoodie and maybe another ATOM. Should I go Bravo or Drac?

Duke how long have you had all of your ATOMS? I'm curious to the life span and the wash cycles
I had the same question. Decided to go with the drac. Your best bet is to figure out exactly what kind of soft shell you want. All differences aside, the bravo is lined with a warming barrier as the drac is not. For me, I already have a lined soft shell and wanted something without so that I could wear a soft shell and adjust the warmth myself using layers. I find that my lined soft shell becomes an issue during high activity. Simply put, it gets way too hot. Hope that helps. My drac just shipped so I can give you more feedback if you want when it arrives.
I could have this all wrong, but I thought that you wouldn't want to combine two softshells (like the Atom LT and the Drac/Bravo) together? Doesn't that compromise their individual properties? Seems to make a lot more sense to start with a solid base layer, add the softshell and then a hard shell if necessary. I think Logos cautioned against a softshell over an Atom LT because it would negate the jacket's ability to retain warmth.

Pat
Currently have a Rho and Atom LT top, but I've been eyeing the Atom AR and Naga Hoodie for missions as the temperature begins to drop at night here in RC-East. I don't know if I can swing both right now, but I am leaning toward the Naga hoodie in conjunction with the issues wind shirt. What are y'all's thoughts? We are trying to order the Atom AR jackets for the boys to throw on over their kit in the PB, but at this rate I'm not seeing it. Our 10 liners for more Crye tops and pants will probably have to be approved by Jesus.
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Originally posted by dwestfall:
Just received my DRAC XL and it's going back. I'm 6'5 225. Sleeve length is perfect but the body is short and fits like a tent.

I saw on one site that the Bravo has an "athletic cut" which I assume means leaner. But it is any longer in the body?

I have the Naga Hoody in XL and it is a perfect fit on me.


Here's Arc'teryx's sizing chart:
http://www.arcteryx.com/sizing-charts.aspx?EN

As shown, fit depends on the individual garment. An 'athletic' fit is actually cut more generously than a 'trim' fit.

Pat
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Originally posted by Pat_E:
I could have this all wrong, but I thought that you wouldn't want to combine two softshells (like the Atom LT and the Drac/Bravo) together? Doesn't that compromise their individual properties? Seems to make a lot more sense to start with a solid base layer, add the softshell and then a hard shell if necessary. I think Logos cautioned against a softshell over an Atom LT because it would negate the jacket's ability to retain warmth.

Pat


The Naga is a great layer. That plus a wraith, Squamish, ALPHA-series will get you far. Again, to reiterate what Logos said to me a while back; ATOM and bravo are both mid-layers.

An ATOM under a Combat is excellent, as well as a Naga under a combat. (I've done both).

I hope that helps. I'm not an authority, I just have all the above, and Logos is spot-on in how they should and do work together.
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Originally posted by Pat_E:
Roger that. What WOULD you wear under it, if you we're to wear something? Performance T, maybe?
Pat


I wear a performance t-shirt, ie Patagonia Capilene 1 or 2. Even better are merino wool 1 or 2, also from Patagonia.

If you wanted to stick with Arc, pick up one of their Phase tops in whatever weight would best match your needs. I don't have any experience with them though, so I won't comment.
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Originally posted by Runcible:
A good base layer is what I'd wear under the Naga - what in particular being determined by weather and whatnot; for me, intending to run the Naga this winter during training, it'll be something slim fitting and sweat wicking more then loose and insulating. The fit of the hoodie and my intended use for it seem best served that way.


That's what I've had in mind. Depending on conditions, I was thinking a performance T or a LS base layer of some sort. I have stuff from Mountain Hardware and Arc'teryx (Rho LTW) for that purpose. All of them are very thin, and the LS stuff is merino wool.

Now to get the whole Naga sizing thing down...

Pat
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Originally posted by nza:
OK, so what IS wrong with the naga sizing?
I'm a medium in all other LEAF...should I be getting a naga small? or large?


There is nothing wrong with it.

If you want to wear it as an outer layer like a sweatshirt, order a size up.

If you're going to use it as it was designed (heavy base layer/light mid-layer) order your normal size. It is slim fitting.

Personally I went up a size and am happy I did so, as have others I know. I can wear it in a casual setting as well as in the field.
I ordered the same size as my undershirts and concealment shirts.

You're probably going to have some excess sleeve length if you want to wear one more loosely, and size up to do so.

I've only met one guy I think could CCW under it... I sure as heck can't.

But: worn with an undershirt, with a permitting softshell vest over it, en route to a training venue during colder days? Yessir.
Got a XL Gamma LT today, I think that's the non-LEAF equivalent of the Combat Jacket, minus the patch panels on the sleeves. The Gamma LT does come in grey.

Very impressed, the fit is perfect for me @ 6'5" 225, 36/37 sleeve. Not a tent, and long enough that I've got 2" of jacket below a Brokos belt. The Naga hoody is a perfect combo under it. Not sure how an Atom will work, seems like it might be a tight fit.

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Originally posted by NaOH:
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Originally posted by dwestfall:
Just received my DRAC XL and it's going back. I'm 6'5 225. Sleeve length is perfect but the body is short and fits like a tent.

I have the Naga Hoody in XL and it is a perfect fit on me.


I'm 6' 3" 230 and I had the same issue. Mine went back too. I'll try the Combat jacket but I'd like grey.
I have an Arcteryx LEAF Alpha Lt jacket that now has a hole in the sleeve due to scuffling with a suspect. The hole is the size of a quarter.


The hole is in no way due to poor quality on the jacket's part. This jacket is a great piece of kit. I simply exceeded its design speed limit putting the bam-a-lam on a ne'er-do-well. It seems that a substantial amount of man, anger and asphalt is sufficient to grind a hole in the ProShell.

I called up Arcteryx and 5 minutes of conversation with an excellent customer service rep I have a patch kit inbound.

Thank you Dirty Bird!
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Originally posted by WoodlandSOU:
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Originally posted by nza:
OK, so what IS wrong with the naga sizing?
I'm a medium in all other LEAF...should I be getting a naga small? or large?


There is nothing wrong with it.

If you want to wear it as an outer layer like a sweatshirt, order a size up.

If you're going to use it as it was designed (heavy base layer/light mid-layer) order your normal size. It is slim fitting.

Personally I went up a size and am happy I did so, as have others I know. I can wear it in a casual setting as well as in the field.

I stuck with my original sizing of medium, and yes it is body hugging, so if you're not "fit" your muffin top will show. not a big deal for me. its definitely warm for early morning jogs in 0 degree weather. I haven't tested to see if there is any dwr. If there isn't I'll probably just wash some into it the next time I do a dwr restore on my other things.

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