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Lightfighters,
We are in the process of setting the design direction for Arc'teryx LEAF. I'd like to get you feedback on what you dislike about your LEAF gear. Of course if there is a particular feature you absolutely love and don't want us to change let us know. This is you chance to shape future LEAF products.

A couple of points of guidance:
1) The price is the price: prices aren't going to go down, we're simply not willing to compromise on quality. If you got a great deal through the pro-deal, please don't share: you got the that price because of what you do, there's no need to tease the window lickers.

2)Please many details on your garment and the uses you put it to as you can, including where you bought it. We've had a rash of knock-offs come in for warranty recently, so we want to make sure your commenting on our stuff not a 'replica'.
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First of all let me start by saying I'm an Arctery'x fiend. I own the Sidewinder SV, Gamma SV Jacket and Bibs, Gamma MX, Bravo Pant and Jacket, Alpha Jacket and Pants, Chiamera Shirt, and Cam SV glove. All have been purchased from reliable vendors or the LEAF program directly.

I'll echo what Alpinist said by seconding the FR need. I think going in a Merino wool direction would be interesting.

Also I wouldn't mind seeing equipment made by Arctery'x. It would be very cool to be the first kid on the block with a Chest Plate made by you folks.

I think Arctery'x is poised to be one of the only companies that can compete directly with the quality of companies like Crye Precision, and since they are diversifying into the garment world more heavily, I think it would benefit you to do the same into the gear industry.

As a voracious consumer of your products, I would be happy to demo or test anything you have to offer.
Wink
Some larger sizes would help--as it is, there is nothing Arctery'x makes that fits me. I'm ~6'3", 255-ish lbs., wear a 52L suit coat, and even the XXL shells I've tried don't fit (both too snug around the chest and way too short in the sleeves). While I could stand to lose a few pounds (am running my nads off to do just that), I'm in reasonably good shape but the lack of any garment from Arctery'x that would fit me forced my hand towards buying a softshell from a different maker that fit properly.
When I first discovered Arc'teryx it was via your packs (specifically the Wire). I've had half a dozen of your packs for various needs over the years, but I feel like there has been little/no innovation in your packs.

I've had a need for lighter and faster packs - 25L would be ideal with external and internal pockets. I was using an LBT 2595G and it was a great pack until the nylon webbing failed on the straps and my $400 pack fell apart.

I have since reverted to the Axios 25 and the Hornet 18. The Axios has the best straps and back, bar none, of any pack I've ever used but the generic interior and placement of the internal pocket is constantly in the way. The Hornet is much lighter and great for a few hours, but the shape is not ideal when loaded(basically creates a hump), and the drink pockets on both are a total waste of time.

I got to check out the Mystery Ranch Spartan at Shot this year and it was ideal. However, for whatever reason, when I have called them about producing it, I've been told the pack probably will never be actual made.

I feel like Arc'teryx should own tactical packs. You own packs in the civ sector.

So yes, I would like urban use 24 hour sustainment packs that can rock a camelback and have 25-27 L of storage. Thanks Smile

j
Incorporating X-static fabric on the Bravo jacket to keep odors from being too offensive.

I don't have any gaping holes on my Alpha jacket/pants from the occasional concrete tunnel crawl but I would like to see additional reinforcement of typical wear areas (elbows, back of forearms , cuffs, and knees.)

Keep the stowable hood on the Alpha jacket.

Additional color offerings would be nice...how about dark navy, dark grey, or ranger green?
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Originally posted by jvencius:
Some larger sizes would help--as it is, there is nothing Arctery'x makes that fits me. I'm ~6'3", 255-ish lbs., wear a 52L suit coat, and even the XXL shells I've tried don't fit (both too snug around the chest and way too short in the sleeves). While I could stand to lose a few pounds (am running my nads off to do just that), I'm in reasonably good shape but the lack of any garment from Arctery'x that would fit me forced my hand towards buying a softshell from a different maker that fit properly.


Concur. I have the same issue. Especially when wearing any layering garments, or any type of armor, having things designed for guys who are built bigger would definately help sales, and expand the line.

I'd also like to see more colors. Not all LEAF-types are on tactical teams or war-zones. Some of us can't wear multicam to work, and crocodile makes us stand out as well. I'm currently assigned to a central European post, and black or navy would blend in a lot more than other colors.
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I'd also like to see more colors. Not all LEAF-types are on tactical teams or war-zones. Some of us can't wear multicam to work, and crocodile makes us stand out as well. I'm currently assigned to a central European post, and black or navy would blend in a lot more than other colors.


LEAF is currently combat-specific. If you want that, every LEAF product has a civilian Arcteryx counterpart except for the hybrid stuff (chimera, sphinx, etc.)
So i like the Leaf stuff like it is, the idea on the alpha jacket with the opening on the side is a good idea.

About the colours, I love the crocodile a lot and would like to have the talos also in that colour. I don´t need any other colour like black and crocodile.

About the sizes i can´t say much i fit in large and x-large.

It might be awesome if there would be some more dealers over here in europe, especially germany where u can buy the leaf series. I already asked the biggest company in germany for military and law enforcement which is recon company if the could get the leaf gear but they declined my request. I´m pretty sorry about that cause they have a lot of awesome gear and i buy most of my stuff from them, cause i prefer to get it all out of one hand, so maybe you can set up more dealers over here.
Thanks for the response so far: this is really helpful.

I can't get in to specifics but of the issues being brought up will be addressed in the next 18-24 months.

If you civilian colors/features we make a few hundred options: check out www.arcteryx.com and veilance.arcteryx.com

For Merino option we have the Rho LTW (Light Weight Wool) and the Eon series. We aren't doing merino outerwear because the fabrics don't meet our durability standards for outerwear (a life span of at least 100 working days in the bush) unless you mix in a bunch of nylon.

FR is strange. Big army types world-wide say it's necessary but when I talk to the soldier systems research scientist and the force mods of SoF units they say it's a boondoggle. Why do you need FR? What level of protection do you need? Is fire really a bigger hazard than heat causalities and hypothermia?

Thanks again and keep the feedback coming.
now this wouldnt directly be say combat uniform related, but something a touch different,but military or police related.

what about a PT gear program? Here in canada each unit gets its own Regimental PT kit. normally, its standard cotton hoody, sweatpants, cotton shirt, and crappy chinese made UA style shirts and shorts.

id like to see us running around in arcteryx running jackets, softshells, shorts, t shirts, etc. i have a couple of arc coolmax shirts and a pair of running shorts, they would be awesome with our Unit Crest on it.

then i could get some decent PT kit.

just a thought.

EDIT: my girlfriend, and armored recce soldier, wants an expanded womens line. She owns lots of the civ line, but there isnt much for her in the leaf lineup.
What's this fascination with black? Don't I keep reading on here that it's a the worst possible colour for tactical use and that it stands out in any environment?
Are your wearing LEAF for the CDI factor or is there a tactical reason that I'm not aware of?
Are police forces that care so little for office safety that they mandate black tactical uniforms really going to step up and buy Arc'teryx?
If a new colour that looked good with black gear but blended in to the urban/suburban environment better came to market would they buy it instead of black?
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Originally posted by logos:
...Don't I keep reading on here that it's a the worst possible colour for tactical use and that it stands out in any environment?


Maybe so, but if a department mandates their officers wear black, for reasons good/bad/indifferent, it would be nice for those guys to at least have good-quality clothing and gear in a department-approved color vs. being stuck wearing shoddy gear that meets color requirements.
Love your stuff. It's expensive, but I'm ok with that.

However...

I've been a wrestler and a weightlifter all my life. I'm 6ft 220lbs and most of it is in my chest, neck and arms.

When I wear pants, Wink ...they are size large, and my top is extra large. Every brand I can think of fits using that approach, from BDU's to ASICS sweats. However an Arc'teryx "XL" top is just a large or even a medium with freakishly long arms. That doesn't work for me.

That's the only reason I don't have a closet full of your stuff.
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Originally posted by Wyoming Shooter:
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there's no need to tease the window lickers.


Retired after 23 years of putting bad guys in a "structured environment", I am now a apparently a "window licker". Thanks. ELN


+1

comments like that make me happy about my recent Otte Alpine purchase.

We're all on the same team. As a "window licker," I might make more money than the average Joe, true.

And I'll take that money where it's most appreciated.

Thanks for the heads up. I had been following this thread with interest. ETA- I had contacted Arc'teryx directly about private purchase of LEAF garments... apparently I don't make the grade as I only get up in the middle of the night to help the occasional working dog in an emergency. C'est la vie.

But since I keep getting the message that I'm a window licker, I'm beginning to feel like a TAD gear customer.
Gents, don't take it personally. It's one of those things where the legions of airsofters and posers see LEAF pricing, which is reduced pricing for people doing the job the clothing is designed for. Said "window lickers", a term I think we all support for said posers, then call retailers and Arcteryx asking for pricing that is solely for those on the job. I know because I work closely with Arcteryx, I work for Grey Group, and am a professional user of LEAF gear so I see it on all sides.

Note that John did not say everyone who didn't wear the stuff on DA missions is a window licker. He said that the guys the gear is designed for get the good pricing, as it should be.

Everyone else just has to pay retail. If you're not a window licker, then the comment does not apply to you. If you need it to perform your duties in the .mil/LE you get pricing that they are not obligated to offer. If you just want it...full price.

TAD is cool, if you want Condor at Arcteryx prices. I would encourage anyone who thinks there are better options or value in outdoor gear to seek out your region's Arcteryx rep and find out what goes into that jacket versus some sweat shop knockoff of a decade old TNF jacket.
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Originally posted by doctorrich:
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Originally posted by Wyoming Shooter:
Retired after 23 years of putting bad guys in a "structured environment", I am now a apparently a "window licker". Thanks. ELN


+1

comments like that make me happy about my recent Otte Alpine purchase.

We're all on the same team. As a "window licker," I might make more money than the average Joe, true.

And I'll take that money where it's most appreciated.


I was thinking that sounds like the unofficial HK "Because we hate you, and you suck" motto Mad and I'm liking my OTTE Alpine more and more now after reading that.
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Originally posted by jvencius:
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Originally posted by logos:
...Don't I keep reading on here that it's a the worst possible colour for tactical use and that it stands out in any environment?


Maybe so, but if a department mandates their officers wear black, for reasons good/bad/indifferent, it would be nice for those guys to at least have good-quality clothing and gear in a department-approved color vs. being stuck wearing shoddy gear that meets color requirements.


+1 Basically because that's the color I am told I have to wear for my jackets. I much prefer my Bravo jacket over the 5.11 jacket that almost everyone here wears. I don't have a problem paying for QUALITY products and would rather spend more $$ up front for a 1 time purchase that will last me.
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Originally posted by jvencius:
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Originally posted by doctorrich:
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Originally posted by Wyoming Shooter:
Retired after 23 years of putting bad guys in a "structured environment", I am now a apparently a "window licker". Thanks. ELN


+1

comments like that make me happy about my recent Otte Alpine purchase.

We're all on the same team. As a "window licker," I might make more money than the average Joe, true.

And I'll take that money where it's most appreciated.


I was thinking that sounds like the unofficial HK "Because we hate you, and you suck" motto Mad and I'm liking my OTTE Alpine more and more now after reading that.


It's just like everything else...once the flavor of the month for tacti-cool changes & the fan boys find a different company to drool over Arc'teryx will go after the window lickers and posers money......
All,
The purpose of LEAF is to provide the best possible gear for the guy in harms way. We actively seek to discourage people who are not armed professional form buying LEAF product because it reduces our ability to serve the good guys.
No matter how aggressively we build we end up having to tell some unit that we won't have what they need in time for their deployment. That is a awful turn of events and a situation I do everything in my power to avoid. If you are NOT police or military please DON'T buy LEAF: we make thousands of other products just for you: please leave the LEAF stuff for the guys with their life on the line.
I know this is an odd way for a manufacture to act but we really are in this business for the soldiers and police, not for the revenue.
The bravo could use pit zips to increase temp range and drawcords inside the pockets so they don't stick out.

The combat jacket's bottom hem is insanely wide, which means if you don't pack a gut you have to cinch it up some. However, this bunches up the fabric to the point where you no longer have a proper seal against wind/dirt/bugs. I'd reccomend adjusting the hem size and relying on the fabric's stretchiness to create a good seal.

A LEAF version of the Hyllus would be awesome as a standalone piece or for layering under an Alpha.

A parka-lenght Alpha (think m65) for more coverage would be useful.
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Originally posted by kemp:

The combat jacket's bottom hem is insanely wide, which means if you don't pack a gut you have to cinch it up some. However, this bunches up the fabric to the point where you no longer have a proper seal against wind/dirt/bugs. I'd reccomend adjusting the hem size and relying on the fabric's stretchiness to create a good seal.


I completely agree with this. So far I only own a Gamma AR and a Combat Jacket, the Gamma fits perfectly. It would be nice for the Combat Jacket to have less excess in the waist area.
an additional piece of velcro tape for name tag?
I find the cut of the alpha perfect for accessing holster and other items off the belt. However the combat jacket is longer, and i have to either tuck into my pants, or lift the jacket up each time I holster/reholster. cut them like an inverse U-shape on the sides?

the squamish hoodie in LEAF colours would be ideal.

Keep or look for improvements where pockets are still accessible when wearing knuckled gloves. Inside main pockets perhaps have compartmentalized inner zip pockets. say to keep items like lighter, smokes, chew, gum handy and snug while not bouncing around...

For the pants, is there a way to make a sort of and elasitisized liner, that can tuck into the boot, while, the outer pant leg remains over the boot. Kind of like snowboard pants. Help to keep the sand and crap from slipping in. The liner can be sepearted with snap buttons, much like the snowboard pants, so that it is still relative easy to take pants off while wearing boots.
I'd also like to see more colors. Not all LEAF-types are on tactical teams or war-zones. Some of us can't wear multicam to work, and crocodile makes us stand out as well. I'm currently assigned to a central European post, and black or navy would blend in a lot more than other colors.[/QUOTE]

+1.... I like your gear the best but have to wear other companies when I want to be a little more low key. Yes others have pointed out your civ equiv. line, but without discussing it too much....maybe the LEAF (mil/le) Direct program could include the civilian line also. I guess this is input aimed more toward the company itself then the LEAF line, but just giving my $.02.
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Originally posted by logos:
All,
The purpose of LEAF is to provide the best possible gear for the guy in harms way. We actively seek to discourage people who are not armed professional form buying LEAF product because it reduces our ability to serve the good guys.
No matter how aggressively we build we end up having to tell some unit that we won't have what they need in time for their deployment. That is a awful turn of events and a situation I do everything in my power to avoid. If you are NOT police or military please DON'T buy LEAF: we make thousands of other products just for you: please leave the LEAF stuff for the guys with their life on the line.
I know this is an odd way for a manufacture to act but we really are in this business for the soldiers and police, not for the revenue.


Understood.

On the LEAF website for each product, could you place link to the civilian equivalent product? And add some 'LEAFish' colors to those products? Maybe that will take some pressure off of the LEAF line as those of us who are former .mil, LEO, etc. that prefer more subdued colors can still fill our needs.
For the LE side of LEAF two thoughts ... include a green somewhere between OD and ranger green given that a fair amount 'tactical' LE have gone to that color and crocodile isn't always compatible in the eyes of the admin. Also, I prefer the fuller cut towards the bottom of the combat jacket for concealing items/objects on the belt when not in uniform.

Thank you for asking for input!
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Originally posted by nza:
an additional piece of velcro tape for name tag?
I find the cut of the alpha perfect for accessing holster and other items off the belt. However the combat jacket is longer, and i have to either tuck into my pants, or lift the jacket up each time I holster/reholster. cut them like an inverse U-shape on the sides?

the squamish hoodie in LEAF colours would be ideal.
Comming, Fall 2011, caled the Wraith. Also in white to be used as overwhites.
Keep or look for improvements where pockets are still accessible when wearing knuckled gloves. Inside main pockets perhaps have compartmentalized inner zip pockets. say to keep items like lighter, smokes, chew, gum handy and snug while not bouncing around...

For the pants, is there a way to make a sort of and elasitisized liner, that can tuck into the boot, while, the outer pant leg remains over the boot. Kind of like snowboard pants. Help to keep the sand and crap from slipping in. The liner can be sepearted with snap buttons, much like the snowboard pants, so that it is still relative easy to take pants off while wearing boots. Have you seen the new Sphinx, Gryphon and Talos? They all have intgrated gaiters.
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Originally posted by logos:
Have you seen the new Sphinx, Gryphon and Talos? They all have intgrated gaiters.


Unfortunatley I have not. I have already used up my clothing allowance, so have not taken a closer look at those new items. Plus there is no LEAF showroom in Nanaimo. Seems like whenever I go to Vancouver I'm only harbour air for the day. Or in transit to elsewears, but one of these days, I will take you up on your offer to visit. i'm heading back overseas come mid May, and again, I won't have a chance to visit the store. BOLLOCKS>

good to know about the squamish hoody.
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Originally posted by logos:
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Originally posted by rgrwilcox:
Offer "No shoulder velcro" as an option on the jackets that have shoulder velcro.


Can I ask why? Sorry for all the questions, but we can't just change things without some sort of rational.


I can't answer for rgrwilcox but I listed the same request. There is a need to blend in at times for the LE mission and velcro on the sleeves screams "COP".

Lynn
It would be great to see pants that are sized S,M,L,XL to also have a short, regular and long option for length. Having the knee pad be significantly off the knee is not helpful.

If the LEAF line is for shooters only, then I agree that offering similar subdued civilian products is a good idea. Those working in inhospitable conditions can use good clothing, but the bright colors associated with much of the civilian line are not acceptable.

Regards,
Doc
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Originally posted by hk24:
I can't answer for rgrwilcox but I listed the same request. There is a need to blend in at times for the LE mission and velcro on the sleeves screams "COP".

Lynn
While I've never been to the US or seen undercover cops there, Norwegian undercover cops can be spotted from miles away, and they mostly wear civilian brand clothing (like Bergans and Norrøna). It's not your clothing that gives you away, it's the over-all impression of you and your posture.

To answer logos regarding price, here in Norway the LEAF line is priced among the top-tier outdoor brands (like Bergans and Norrøna). Which I think is perfectly fine, as the bird is also among the top brands. This might only apply to Norway and the price Norwegian dealers have.
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Originally posted by hk24:
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Originally posted by logos:
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Originally posted by rgrwilcox:
Offer "No shoulder velcro" as an option on the jackets that have shoulder velcro.


Can I ask why? Sorry for all the questions, but we can't just change things without some sort of rational.


I can't answer for rgrwilcox but I listed the same request. There is a need to blend in at times for the LE mission and velcro on the sleeves screams "COP".

Lynn


I am not LOGOs obviously but from the perspective of someone in the gear industry that has to deal with SKUs and stock it is easy for this sort of detail to become difficult to manage. Since each jacket is not made to order (that would increase lead times and decrease efficiency of production) they have to come up with another model number basically for the jacket with no velcro. Put that across four or five sizes and you have created a sizable dent in production output for the difference of a 4x4" piece of velcro.

Just something to consider, and it may not be an issue to Arcteryx but when I look at products that I work on I try to consider the cost/benefit ratio to the customer and the ability to have what the customer needs on the shelf. It is a balancing act.
A nice remedy to that might be offering as a standard option with all velcro sleeve garments two arc'teryx bird patches with matching color backgrounds and sizes. It probably wouldn't be cost prohibitive, would add a nice marketing touch to the product, and would probably help those garments to look a bit more outdoorish when low profile is needed.

Back on topic, I'd love to see:
-merino wool articulated balaclavas for warmth and FR protection
-gaiters for those times you don't wear pants with DWR finnish.
-Shooters gloves. I haven't tried the complete LEAF glove line but the few I've seen or tried weren't exactly trigger friendly, which I find odd for that market. I understand that insulation and dexterity usualy work against each other, but I would enjoy some specific mapping on the trigger finger. On the glove subject also, more camo/color options than just black.
-Black option on all the hybrid line. Like it's been said before, black is often the only alternative we LE types have.
-As for FR, from my small experience it's not important until something bad happens. A do-it-all DWR-breathable-FR garment would be nice as long as it performs the same as non FR ones and doesn't impact too much the price tag. Obviously I'm day dreaming right now but there's some interesting materials coming from the industry (i.e. Gore) that might fit the bill in the near future, so I hope you'll consider it at some point.

That's all I got right now
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Originally posted by logos:
Still interested?

Obviously not. I just hope that at some point the process and bulk prices will allow for something FR to happen with your company. Thanks for the interesting insight as far as costs.

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Originally posted by logos:
On the Velcro thing, if you don't want velco
On you Gore-Tex jacket what wrong with an Alpha SV from REI? Price?

It's not wanting it or not. I have a use for the velcros on my alpha. But that's not always the case, especially in civies... I'd rather have a nice matching piece of cloth to hide them than buy another alpha altogether. But then again I'm cheap... Wink
I vote in favor of Stubby/Regular/Long sizing on both the Trousers and the tops. Those of us with long legs tend to also have long.... torso's and arms.

In my experience, I have to go up a least one size bigger than optimal get tops to stay tucked in and sleeves to reach (and cover) my wrists. I had to go to a XXL to get long enough sleeves on my Dept. issue 5 in 1 jacket. It fits like a GP tent, and is still too short in the body.

And don't start the big/tall sizes at XL. A tall/medium would be perfect. And you would be the only company in the world doing it, aside from a few Gov. contractors who make med/tall bdu tops.
I have a Alpha jacket, Atom LT and just bought a Covert Cardigan (which appears to have been dicontinued in LEAF form?). I really like all the jackets I've bought from Arc. The only thing I "dislike" is on the Atom LT jacket the polartec side panels are beginning to pile on the right side where a G19 usually resides. Full disclosure, the G19 has been stippled so it is rougher than a stock pistol, which is likely the cause of the wear. I am not complaining about this, I don't expect the jacket to be light as a feather and wear like stainless steel. Maybe I'll somehow attach a patch made of abrasion resitant material in that area to prevent more wear. Anyway, thought you might want to know.
If you want to discourage non mil and leo from purchasing your products then why not only make them available to that market? If you don't qualify for the special LEAF price then you can't purchase?

I'll freely admit that the majority of your products are out of my price range. Being regular infantry I don't get a special clothing allowance but I do find the majority of the issued kit to be at least adequate. I have only one suggestion and that would be your colour options or lack thereof. Your base layers (merino), neck gaiter, helmet liner and beanies all look great but they're only available in black. The majority of people in the Canadian Forces can not get away with wearing this colour. If it were offered in OD then I could see myself buying them. Especially the helmet liner/beanies. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find something that will fit comfortably under the issued helmet and is OD?
Wearing a $400 shell in a place where none of the locals wear shells screams "I'm a cop," the color doesn't matter.

Confused <"WTF, who that dude?"

<"I don't know, but his baller ass jacket costs $500, let's go jack his ass..."

Anyway, I'm not LE but if you wore some dirty bird kit where I grew up, you would be pegged a mile out unless we were on the slopes, and then, we would still peg you as a rich dude. Just sayin'. Not a flame on anyone, or on Arc'teryx, they make expensive clothing, and their civilian stuff is worn by the more well to do, or the consumer who buys his gear for the next 10 seasons Wink. You can find some righteous deals on their civy gear this time of year, and if it's too much, the competition is... well, it's competetive.

That all being said....

From a dealer's perspective, I will echo the previous comments on sizing; go with short, regular and long.

You guys make awesome high end kit and people love it... except I think I am yet to sell a single pair of your pants, really, why even bother with that many models when one type of pant could cover the full spectrum of what people want out of austere weather pants? Make one level six item and drop the others. Make it slightly baggy for underlayers, easy removal, and make it competetively priced with what other cold/ wet wx clothing is out there.

NOW, my biggest pet peeve, accept this fact and you will make $$$$!!! Some of your customers are big dudes; not fat, but big; in America we have muscles, to include elite SOF units whose $ you seek. Make items that fit them, or don't make $ off of them. How hard is that to understand? Yeah, we have guys built like cross country skis, slim, light, built for the long haul. However, some of our boys can smoke the piss out of those lanky fucks and pack some girth, it's a fact, ignoring that fact loses you sales.

TAD Gear liked to tell people in so many words to lose weight if they wanted to fit into their shells... guess what? I know guys in XXXXX that don't fit in your shit because they have big shoulders, barrel chests, and 22 inch biceps. Don't make the same mistake that FAD did. Boney arms don't carry 30 lbs worth of machine gun and ammo very well, some of us are big guys, not all, but some... ACCEPT THIS FACT AND MAKE CLOTHES FOR THEM. I'm not fat (my name is an ironic nickname) and some of your items don't fit me with base layers on. That = no soup for you! It's that simple. Honestly my winter coat is a NF jacket I got on sale with a fleece liner in OD for $150, it fits better than any A'Tx item out there on me, and standing on the top of Whistler in high winds didn't even get a "brrrr" out of me, $150, just sayin', that coat's going to my next winter warfare tng and on any OEF rotation I'll do. Why? Because it fits, I could have pulled a Combat Jacket off my shelves for T&E, but it's not working with what I anticipated having to wear under it.

If you refuse to build for the bigger boned, just close your eyes and pretend you're sewing items for snowboarders who want baggy clothes, that won't be a stretch.

FR? Base layers in FR wouldn't hurt.

HTH, this wasn't meant to be a flame session, I have $20K worth of your gear on my shelves and sell it for a great reason, but there is definitely room for improvement, so there's my constructive criticism.
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Originally posted by Fatty:

NOW, my biggest pet peeve, accept this fact and you will make $$$$!!! Some of your customers are big dudes; not fat, but big; in America we have muscles, to include elite SOF units whose $ you seek. Make items that fit them, or don't make $ off of them. How hard is that to understand? Yeah, we have guys built like cross country skis, slim, light, built for the long haul. However, some of our boys can smoke the piss out of those lanky fucks and pack some girth, it's a fact, ignoring that fact loses you sales.


Preach it Brother Fatty!

I never mentioned building any specific new product other than one type of pant, preferably that can be put on while wearing boots.

For jackets, if you are going to charge a guy $500 for a coat, making it in sizing options would be ideal, or just accept lower sales volume which will keep your pricing astronomical.

If I were to recommend a top it would be one for Talos with chest pockets and full open front as well, lightweight with pit zips. My other top would be a wet wx top, light weight, with panels for unit and FF ID on the sides (velcro panels), just a raincoat.

As for new items, IMHO they sell too many as it is already, this confuses consumers, proven fact. The whole 7 or 9 level system thing doesn't make sense to me anyway, being I was raised in cold wx climates, that shit must have been thought of by some pussified hot wx animal. Baselayer, one to two midlayers and a wxproof shell is all you need. If you're going static-exposed in the arctic, then you need additional clothing.

The concept of a soft shell is still sort of odd to me, I bought one a before we sold them just to see what the heck they are (a Patagonia IIRC). Let's see, it's not windproof, it's not waterproof, it kind of blocks both and costs twice as much as anything that blocks either. That's fucking genius, create an answer to a question not asked and charge double for stuff it does half as well as what it replaced... ooooh, but it has velcro on the sleeves, yay. Some are of great quality: Otte, Massif and Arc'teryx being the ones I like which actually act as advertised. Others are just glorified windbreakers, or just feel like durable papertowels on your body.

I think Arc'teryx's direction is well on course, consolidation of the product line to what war fighters want that serve MULTIPLE purposes, varying sizes, and the ability for the kit to adapt to the warfighter, not the warfighter to adapt to the kit. This last point was addressed VERY well with all their recent items. When I am cold do I have to shed kit and pput on a jacket? Or can I do something to what I am wearing already that will effect that change? Dropping my sleeves off my shoulders is a lot easier and safer in a combat environ than dropping my armor and putting on a shell.

If they want to take this further, they could (as mentioned by previous poster) develop a kit line designed to integrate with their tops. soft armor carriers that are very low pro for under outerlayers, thus protecting them from elements, while a layer for kit on top that can be worn that can rapidly change sizing if extra layers are needed, thus leaving the wearer with some level of protection (soft armor underneath) should they have the in-extremis case of having to remove their webbing and hard plates (if not integrated with soft armor).

That should more than answer your question Duke.
Well I think they need to finish the ensemble. Combat shirt and pants to top it off you need a jacket too. Say I buy a dozen of these and its middle of winter. Wouldn't be nice to have the regular jacket on over some cold weather gear. If I mix and match my Crye field jacket with the talos pant they contrast. Yes same pattern but the materials are lighter and darker due to the different types of material used.
Maybe that's the uniformity piece that the CSM's will want but im a little ocd and want my tops to match nut bottoms.
Thanks so much LFers; this information is going directly into new products. I'll be asking some of you to test prototypes this summer.

Fatty: On the level systems: we build what the customers need. If it's in in our line, some unit asked for it and they have tested and approved it, often in combat. Products don't always make lot of sense to me at first but it's almost always exactly what some group/squadron/team needs or think they need for their mission,terrain,tactics, and equipment. If you need something else for your job, that's why I'm here. If you need beta on who typically buys what, ask DK.

On sizing: I need some data on what we need to make. Retailers and unit buyers, get in touch with me if you have size curves you can share.

Tom K: On a Nylon Cotton Jacket, what exactly does it need to do? PM me if you prefer.
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Originally posted by logos:
On sizing: I need some data on what we need to make. Retailers and unit buyers, get in touch with me if you have size curves you can share.


Try starting with the sizes of uniform that the military is issuing. The US Army has spent a metric fuck-ton of money trying to figure this out over the last 40 years. ...All you have to do is borrow their sizing scheme.
A bit late to the party here. My only suggestion would be to carefuly consider whether various jackets actually need hoods.

Hoods limit peripheral vision, audio accuity, audio distance and bearing perception and generally lower situational awareness. For me personally, this is unacceptable while I'm at work. Or at any time, thinking about it.

I realise that the various schemes for hood stowage are better than a huge flapping thing at the back of your neck, but stowing hoods in collars tends to produce a very large, very bulky collar that likes to stand up when it isn't required to.

This is something that TAD got absolutely right with their stealth jacket (or whatever the soft shell was called) - a relatively tall collar but one that can easily be folded down. And no damned hood.

My personal opinion is that nothing that will be worn in a LE situation should have a hood. Hood = situational awareness fail.
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Originally posted by Fatty:
I never mentioned building any specific new product other than one type of pant, preferably that can be put on while wearing boots.

For jackets, if you are going to charge a guy $500 for a coat, making it in sizing options would be ideal, or just accept lower sales volume which will keep your pricing astronomical.

If I were to recommend a top it would be one for Talos with chest pockets and full open front as well, lightweight with pit zips. My other top would be a wet wx top, light weight, with panels for unit and FF ID on the sides (velcro panels), just a raincoat.

As for new items, IMHO they sell too many as it is already, this confuses consumers, proven fact. The whole 7 or 9 level system thing doesn't make sense to me anyway, being I was raised in cold wx climates, that shit must have been thought of by some pussified hot wx animal. Baselayer, one to two midlayers and a wxproof shell is all you need. If you're going static-exposed in the arctic, then you need additional clothing.

The concept of a soft shell is still sort of odd to me, I bought one a before we sold them just to see what the heck they are (a Patagonia IIRC). Let's see, it's not windproof, it's not waterproof, it kind of blocks both and costs twice as much as anything that blocks either. That's fucking genius, create an answer to a question not asked and charge double for stuff it does half as well as what it replaced... ooooh, but it has velcro on the sleeves, yay. Some are of great quality: Otte, Massif and Arc'teryx being the ones I like which actually act as advertised. Others are just glorified windbreakers, or just feel like durable papertowels on your body.

I think Arc'teryx's direction is well on course, consolidation of the product line to what war fighters want that serve MULTIPLE purposes, varying sizes, and the ability for the kit to adapt to the warfighter, not the warfighter to adapt to the kit. This last point was addressed VERY well with all their recent items. When I am cold do I have to shed kit and pput on a jacket? Or can I do something to what I am wearing already that will effect that change? Dropping my sleeves off my shoulders is a lot easier and safer in a combat environ than dropping my armor and putting on a shell.

If they want to take this further, they could (as mentioned by previous poster) develop a kit line designed to integrate with their tops. soft armor carriers that are very low pro for under outerlayers, thus protecting them from elements, while a layer for kit on top that can be worn that can rapidly change sizing if extra layers are needed, thus leaving the wearer with some level of protection (soft armor underneath) should they have the in-extremis case of having to remove their webbing and hard plates (if not integrated with soft armor).

That should more than answer your question Duke.


So... not a bush jacket.

Very enlightening. Thanks.
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Originally from Fatty:
The concept of a soft shell is still sort of odd to me, I bought one a before we sold them just to see what the heck they are (a Patagonia IIRC). Let's see, it's not windproof, it's not waterproof, it kind of blocks both and costs twice as much as anything that blocks either. That's fucking genius, create an answer to a question not asked and charge double for stuff it does half as well as what it replaced... ooooh, but it has velcro on the sleeves, yay. Some are of great quality: Otte, Massif and Arc'teryx being the ones I like which actually act as advertised. Others are just glorified windbreakers, or just feel like durable papertowels on your body.


You really are too smart to be working for Uncle Sugar...... I have thought that since they started with the concept and it always puzzled me.... Like you, growing up in the cold, it was simple concepts that worked well.
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Originally posted by Duke:

So... not a bush jacket.

Very enlightening. Thanks.


What do you call it when someone is long winded in the written form? Big Grin

I'm pretty passionate about keeping clothing simple, or anything simple for that matter.

Harv: yep it's kind of confusing to leave the US and cold weather for about 12 years and come back to find the entire clothing ensemble paradigm has been smashed and replaced in many ways for the better but in some ways that make you say WTF??? What happened to putting bread bags in your boots to keep your feet dry?

Logos: Understood, many A'T items are made based on customer needs (ie I like this jacket but want it in tactical colors, with slight mods) and requests rather than being developed on a proactive level and HOPING someone buys them, that's just smart business. My problem is I work in other places besides the desert; jungles, forests, the rainy sections of the world and not always in body armor either (heaven forbid).

I have some questions for Logos then: are you implying product line consolidation on your end is not gonna happen proactively and products will be designed based on future customer needs statements? Or will A'T develop .mil items based on multiple environmental needs for the future? Either way, your line could offer everything for all environs and loadouts and still have less base items (hopefully more overall items if you expand sizing options) compared to the melange of stuff you carry right now. The bottom line is this, if your items are selling, deleting them from the line would not be smart, legacy items tend to sell themselves, but developing some items such as rainwear, and non-combat Talos tops would be great enhancements. If you considered turning the line upside down, shaking everything out and starting over, I and many more people would have tons of suggestions may of which I'm sure include keeping a lot of current items.
Logos, We do need some bigger sizes for the weightlifter types, especially in the jackets. Even the XXL did not fit me when I tried them on at Gray Group.

As for keeping in the lineup, the knee caps are the best knee pads I have ever worn. I was very sceptical when I first tested a set in 09, but I liked them, bought them, and used them on my last trip. One mission was 5 days in length, I never took them off, and barely noticed they were there. No other knee pad could do that. The straps seemed flimsy and the plasic buckly seemed like it would never hold, but even on and off aircraft, even if one strap would pop, the other stayed put. The knee caps are a solid product that everyone liked. I have the foliage and black color scheme, maybe an all ranger green scheme would be better, but if the bad guys are down to identifying me by my knees, they are pretty close already.

Thanks

Joe
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Originally posted by logos:
All,
Thanks for the feedback. One of our designers and I will be hanging out at the Grey Group Store this Friday (July 9th) from 1 till whenever they shut down if you'd like to give us a piece of your in person.


Bro, it kills me that I cannot be there for that.

I don't have a lot to add to the mix, but I can tell you that I am in the process of getting rid of all of my crap gear and replacing it with Crye and Arcteryx. It is a costly endeavor, and it will take me awhile, but I firmly believe in your commitment to quality and bringing solid clothing to those of us that have to go towards the sound of guns. I don't own a single piece of gear from your company that I am not ecstatic over.

Thanks for such a great product.
Tracker,
Sorry you can't make it. Our rep's show room is in GA and we do LEAF events there periodically - I'll let you know about the next one.

Oh and it's Saturday the 9th not Friday the 8th we'll be in the Pro Shop.

The designers and myself will be in a dozen or more cities/bases all over the US(VB,SLC,LA,SD at least), Canada and Europe meeting end users and doing research for future seasons this summer. If I get time between meetings we'll try and do a meet and greet set up. Keep your eyes on our Facebook page.
The thinnest portion of the belt is the actual body of the belt that is multicam. It is roughly 1/8 of an inch.

The thickest point of the belt is the end of the webbing that actual goes through the buckle. It is folded to three layers thick and bartacked. That is 3/8 of an inch.

NOTE: This was done as inaccurately as possible with a ruler and not with any kind of caliper.

It is not thick at all, my leather belt and all other riggers belts I have in the house are thicker.

ETA: logos and I posted at the same time, I would trust his measurements over mine Wink
Thanks, MikeyG and logos!

(I actually misspoke, in that I was meaning to ask for the width. But the thickness was also a point of curiousity.)

So with that nod to BFG, and being 2" in width, its probably perfectly sized for those MOLLE items intended for both PALS and belt wear? By which I mean, they have an extra strip of 1" webbing running horizontally, immediately beneath the vertical straps, so that alternative weaving will create a 2" opening.
Beware of the sizing for the belt, you need to measure your waist with a tape before ordering and not go off of pant size. I now have a fairly expensive belt that is useless for my needs since they don't take back load bearing equipment for exchanges. It's beautifully made, but don't expect them to give you the customer service of a mom and pop shop or most of the other tactical manufacturers.
I was mistaken earlier in thinking that the medium is too small, but on the the other hand I expected the 1" webbing to be always on top of of the wider belt portion. Another issue I have had with it is the large doubled over portion of webbing that you feed through the buckle. I had to hack on my Safariland a bit to get it to fit through the belt loops. If they had kept it as a single layer and used another method to make it it easier to grab I think it would have worked out better. it is super comfortable and light. If you want a gun belt this is not for you though, it does the job fine, but that is not what it shines at feature wise.
i got the sphinx shirt and love it, i fold the sleeves up and slight them under the arm pocket. but i can´t pull the velcro strap to tight, i tried that also but my arm falls asleep after a while so i decided to tight it but not to tight. when I move after a while the sleeve will come out again, that´s why i asked for a pocket!

oh yeah a boonie in crocodile will be awesome! or even the BAD cap in crocodile will be sweet.
Something else I have found invaluable in recent years in the cold is an around the waist hand warmer. It doesn't matter what you are doing, sitting/standing around in the cold is sitting/standing around in the cold, and my hands turn to ice cubes. Having something low profile, quite that would flatten back out when you removed your hands but with some kind of heat reflective lining on the inside to keep your paws warms and not stoved up would be great for anyone out in the elements. If you could figure out someway to marry this to a lightweight Arcteryx fanny pack, or to the bottom of a PC, or even the jackets you guys sell but have it so it could be used separately it would be pretty sweet.

I saw a pic on one of the boards of an SF guy in A-Stan just the other day decked out in MC, all except for his black waist worn hand warmer.

Just a thought...
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Originally posted by Hootiewho:
Something else I have found invaluable in recent years in the cold is an around the waist hand warmer. It doesn't matter what you are doing, sitting/standing around in the cold is sitting/standing around in the cold, and my hands turn to ice cubes. Having something low profile, quite that would flatten back out when you removed your hands but with some kind of heat reflective lining on the inside to keep your paws warms and not stoved up would be great for anyone out in the elements. If you could figure out someway to marry this to a lightweight Arcteryx fanny pack, or to the bottom of a PC, or even the jackets you guys sell but have it so it could be used separately it would be pretty sweet.

I saw a pic on one of the boards of an SF guy in A-Stan just the other day decked out in MC, all except for his black waist worn hand warmer.

Just a thought...


I'm pretty sure Eagle Industries makes a hand warmer that you wear like a fanny pack.
10-4 on the hand warmer.

Another suggestion is the interior lining on some of the jackets. In 6 months time my P30 grips have eat upthe lining up on my ATOM. Maybe run a little more durable material around the pistol bearing area of the waist? I have yet to pick up an Alpha, so I do not know if a rough textured pistol will cause issue on those jackets or not.

While were at it, some nice loose fitting, earth tone, cool Polo's would be nice as well. Lots of agencys are wearing polos now days. Just take note of the suggestion on the jacket and run a little bit of a more durable material around where a pistol grip would be.
+1 for beanie and gloves in crocodile

I think I'm getting issued a minotaur or sphinx top soon for this fall/winter, But I would also like the Hyllus hoody in coffee bean for when I take the plate carrier off and/or PT in the elements.

Logos, I cant make it to GA or to greygroup in NC... but you're more than welcome to come to Afghanistan with some gear and generate feedback Big Grin

All joking aside.. Thank you, Sir, for your dedication to serving the troops and our need for mission driven gear.
So far the solid Talos program has been delayed by: presidential visits to the country of origin, stolen textiles, fraud, rising demand for nylon due to Chinese car tires, the coming London Olympics and several deaths. After 6 seasons of this type of chaos, I've stopped promising anything that's not in a bonded warehouse where we're paying rent. It's comming but I can't say when.
Sohl,
Check out the Alpha LT Jacket. It's the lightest 3-Layer Gore-Tex jacket we make and our current test batch of four has survived over 2 years (that is about 1600 total field days, 400 per garment) at one of the toughest military training environments in the world with no noticeable failures.
If I may digress, ripstop improves tear resistance in loosely constructed textiles but the most over all durable textile in any given weight, especially in terms of abrasion, is a nice tight plain weave. However, nice tight plain weaves are the most expensive way to make fabric. Generally speaking, you are far more like likely to abrade though properly designed gear than you are to rip it. If you gear is ripping on a regular basis it's usually a design issue, not a textile issue.

Check out some of our latest gear testing by LEAF designer Tony Richardson leaf facebookto see how we validate these opinions.
LEAF product is over 50% (by dollar value) made in Canada with a significant portion of the rest made in the US. However, we have an increasingly difficult time finding skilled sewers in North America: if not Vancouver's large Chinese immigrant population we wouldn't even be able build anything here. As a result we have opened factories around the world, wherever we can recruit the skills and moving the less technically demanding products there. To be clear we are still growing our Vancouver factory, we just can't find the people to grow them at the rate we need to grow production.
LEAF sells a higher proportion of extremely technical products than Outdoor and so has a higher proportion of Canadian made goods. As well between Berry-compliant production and some up comeing contracts we will be growing US production though it is likely to be quite hard for individuals to buy US made LEAF after some time next year as contract work increases.
My $0.02
1) Pit zips generally a good idea
2) Combat Pants - really hard to get, but are amazing
3) Picky here, but it seems very difficult for me to identify an ensemble that I could select and pack for the field, which means I'm stuck with the notion of buying a lot of gear and that is cost-prohibitive. Maybe things could be bundled to reduce cost for those trying to purchase a custom assortment rather than just going with what may or may not be issued - also the bundling could go according to purpose to make picking out items easier? Perhaps I'm just stupid and over-analyzing your stuff because I feel I need to scrutinize it so much due to cost. No matter what discount one receives or what a unit buys, unless it's truly a big-deal unit, a service member will end up buying stuff on his own to compliment what's issued, etc etc etc. But seems I have trouble saying pieces x,y,z is what I need for this mission and this environment when I approach things this way.
4) This is really far fetched but I'm always looking at how gear can get lighter and more efficient. I keep finding myself going to ideas to "internalize" items within clothing, thinking it'll make it easier to move, having things closer to my center of gravity, and make it more feasible to carry and retain things should your stuff get blown off, torn off, etc. Not sure how likely it is, but clothing that incorporates ways to store various items needed for survival, mission accomplishment etc, without resorting to simply stuffing things where they fit. Science fiction and probably just the thoughts of a faulty brain. In the end, maybe it's just better to have good clothing for your body, then simply place all your gear and kit on top in dedicated carriers.
5) I know it's been addressed, but seriously...the window licker comments and all that? Did that ever seem like an appropriate comment to a group of people you are vitally dependent on? Word of mouth and having your logo out there in a combat zone, on the range, on the street, etc is what makes yours and any other company money. Austerity is coming, these "elite" units will not be on unlimited budgets to just buy "50 of each" much longer. It's going to be the "window lickers" that determine whether many companies stay in existence here pretty soon. Those types of comments don't cause me to question whether or not the gear is good, I know it's awesome. It makes me question the customer service I may receive. What if I leave the military tomorrow, will I be treated like pond scum because I paid $500 for clothing but don't carry some sort of .mil credential any longer? What if I'm the guy with the once a year flaw and need to return it, will I be told to pound sand because I'm not part of some sort of secret society or .mil or whatever? Food for thought.
6) Last thing, again something that's been addressed: price. Need to bring it down. You'll have to soon make decisions about longevity v. short term profits as many of your customers are affected by austerity. Military pay will be affected, troop strength will be affected, unit budgets, etc. A short term compromise on pricing will pay dividends later when the next war comes, we re-surge our force numbers, and people NEED that gear once again. I can hike with crap from Walmart. But I want your gear when I hike. However, it's my 100% belief that I NEED your gear when I deploy to accomplish the mission and stay alive. Huge difference and we're all going to forced to make these types of decisions soon when they crush the military budgets and I'm sure LE communities will end up getting pinched as well.
7) Very last thing....just a wish. Wish your gear was more wide-spread in stores. So hard to find it to try on and ensure fit before ordering online. But, I understand that's not easily fixed.
Todd,
Thanks for all the feedback. I really appreciate the effort and time you took to respond.
2) Combat pants are discontinued in favor of the Sphinx. The market has indicated the the Sphinx are the superior design, even at twice the price.
3) Let me know (by PM or e-mail) where your going and what your doing and I'll help you narrow down a short list. So can many folks here. There is no need for more than about 6 to 8 pieces total for any given climate.
4) We're working on it.
5) The product has the warranty,not the user. Ask anyone whose has experience with our CS what it's like. Everybody gets treated exactly alike no matter their job (or else). Oh and in my parlance, a widow licker is a never-has been, never was, never even helped. No one who serves or has served is a window licker. I, however, am.
6) We determine value as 1) increasing end user survivability and performance 2) lasting as long as possible without compromising 1. Price is the last factor we consider. Why? We make life-saving kit. If your gear performs better you might just live longer. If your gear lasts longer in might be there to perform when you need it to. If it fails when you need it to but it was cheaper you die with more money or stuff. If you determine value some other way there are other brands that value price more highly.
7) The dealers we open are based on end user feedback of who they like to do business with and who can maintain the brand standards of customer service and product knowledge. If you have a dealer you think offers great service let me know and our sales team will look into it.
I've got the same concern as Michael,
i use the X-350a civi side and have a large, the waist gets cinched up all the way (33" waist) and the leg loops are maxed out (26-27" legs). I realize this is not the typical climber build so it probably represents a small percentage of the target market but this may be more of an issue in the LEAF demographic.

It's a great harness for the summer but I'm not sure how much insulation i'm gonna be able to fit under there come ice climbing/mountaineering time, i might end up going back to my older BD. I think leaving a longer tail on the leg loops would be ideal for us larger legged folks while not being unmanageable for the "regularly shaped" folks.

Other random thing, zippers that close up... was out walking in the woods (brushing up on nav skills) last week and in good training fashion the weather was crap, pouring rain ect. anyways, compass was dummy corded around my neck and kept in the left chest pocket on my Alpha LT. On two occasions i noticed the zipper had worked its way open a bit (~4cm the first time then 2cm the second time, i was checking more often) the lanyard i was using at the time was a thicker mono-filament almost like a thick fishing line. After noticing the second time that the pocket was opening i switched the lanyard to a ~2mm rope lanyard from my camera and the opening didn't reproduce itself.
My thought was that a combination of the slick mono-filamant and getting the lanyard caught on the thick brush i was moving through may have led to the pocket opening a bit.
Either way, i prefer when pockets zip down to close (also helpful when crawling), especially when there is still 2" of pocket below the lowest point of the zipper so the small stuff doesn't fall out even with the pocket fully opened.

Thanks for listening to end user feedback,

t_a
logos,

To follow up on item 3 of your last post, what do you think about starting a new (stickied?) thread that sort of provides a more detailed description of each piece and some examples of some combinations? Maybe get into how some things are designed for moving/activity and others are for being static.

I don't think there's any question about the quality or design, but things like softshells and high-loft layers are relatively new in the majority of the military, and the LEAF line has a lot of options that can be a little confusing.
The Bravo is a mid-layer, just like the Atom LT. Layering them together was not intended. For winter in cold, dry mountains, my layering system would start with:
1. one light baselayer (like a Phase AR or Eon roughly PCU level 1) top and bottom
2. one mid weight (like a LEAF Rho, Rho AR or Rho LTW, Patagonia R1, PCU level 2)top and bottom
3. an uninsulated Softshell combat uniform as your fighting uniform - layer under it just enough to not freeze while moving. (the Sphinx pant and Halfshell for most folks, OR Combat Jacket if you're not wearing armor most of the time = PCU level 5) This layer is the hardest one to understand as is doesn't block wind or precipitation, or insulate, however it also doesn't absorb precipitation or trap perspiration so your body heat can keep you're baselayer relatively dry in most conditions
4. a rain suit (Alpha LT jacket/Beta LT Pant if weight is you're main concern OR Alpha Jacket and Bib if you're abusive to gear, OR Gryphon if you know you wont have to spend days in the pouring rain ans you need to fight in your rain suit, OR Minotaur halfshell if if you know it's going to be below freezing most of the time = roughly PCU level 6)
5. snivel kit, puffy pieces (Atom AF if you are wearing armor all the time, Fusion if you're in exposed, windy lay-ups a lot, Atom LT if it's not that cold - say above 20F = PCU Level 7)
1. Expedition Fit (XPD is just our internal reference, I don't know how that made the web site) = fits over the layers you would wear on an expedition (that is all of them - base, stretch woven, heavy mid-layer) without added bulk
2. The "Mayhem AR" was never a real product. We told Graves that at the time but he likes to tease the readers. It was a concept/fabric tester: we make and wear test dozens for every product that goes to market. Turns out the fabric/feature set didn't provide a quantifiable improvement in user performance so it didn't go to market. However, the Naga - a very functional tactical hoody will be in stock for Spring 2012.
From the Navy Times

"ARC’TERYX NAGA HOODY
The coolest tactical pajamas. Ever. A hybrid fleece has Polartec PowerStretch in the body to move sweat under body armor and a hard-wearing, water-resistant fleece on the arms and shoulders for protection from the environment and the elements. The hood is cut to fit under a helmet, and the sleeves have thumb loops to keep things where they belong during kinetic pursuits."

Gear Scout

Its being worn by the presenter, apparently.
It's been said before but I'll beat it to death on the off chance it helps make the change happen: more items (eg the Fusion and Atom AF jackets) in black would be awesome.

Considering you guys are a Canadian company, it would be great to have more products that the local LE community could use when we are out in the dark in -30 degree weather hunting bad people. We are almost all limited to black or navy blue items.

Until them we have to make do with other inferior products.