The New and Improved DG-3 Ruck

I was really trying to wait until I rucked the DG-16 system but just couldn't help it.  I thought this little guy looked like a gem; and it is.    

 It actually fits me better than the DG-16, for a short back external, for wear with belt kit.  This one has a 18" frame, versus 20" on the -16, so it's gonna depend a lot on your build.  I'm sorta in the middle and can hump either one, with the -3 now being my favorite.  I'd say if you're around 5'9"-5'11", the DG-3 is for you; 5'11" and over, the DG-16.   To dial it in closer, my torso length is 17", from neck bump, to top of waist.   If your torso is longer then the DG-16 is for you.  

Again, this is as a short back ruck, with belt kit.  If you are running it as a long back, with waist belt, and body armor/chest rig, the DG-16 will work for the 5'9"-5'11" height; so it's gonna depend on how you wear your shit.  In this mode I would like to see another frame of say 22-24" for taller dudes.  

But back to the DG-3.  As you can see, the frame is slightly smaller, all around, than the DG-16.   The suspension is very similar, with good padded shoulder straps, and slightly reduced hip pads.

          

The bag itself is smaller than the DG-16, but still has lots of room.  It's like a cross between a Medium ALICE and a 3-day assault Pack.  It is contoured closer to the body, like the Alpine packs we've been discussing, but goes up more vertically to give you some extra space when needed.  I'm gonna guess it in at about 70L.  Notice side pockets for water bottles, but it's also slotted for skis, poles, n other shit.  

Betcha weren't expecting this. It's a full center zip.  With removable inside pockets.  Pretty cool, huh?  The top lid has three compartments; one internal with access from the inside and outside, and two external, one pouch for tools/repair kit, gloves, cap, etc., and one admin pouch for notebook, documents, etc.

 

I wanted to get some close ups of the Crossfire bag attachment system.  Here is the top.  Notice the "jock strap" center strap.  The top of the bag has two attachment points per side, so depending on where you put the top load stab straps, you still have a tab n slot for the bag top.  Nice touch.  In this case, the top load stab straps are rigged into the center slots, with the top bag tabs rigged into the outboard slots.  

Note: The bag has 1 " rings as well, so the harness can be rigged onto the bag without an external frame.  An internal frame sheet is provided, which along with these direct attachment points, allows you to convert it to an internal frame ruck.  Also pretty cool.

Note 2: Since there were rings there, I decided to  rig the top load straps through them, thereby attaching both the bag and the frame to the shoulder harness.

 

Another attachment shot showing the 3 tabs n slots per side.

And the bottom tabs n slots.  I think this is where you make your money on this system; the weight is now tied in around the complete perimeter of the frame.

 

Complete load out, as humped on test run.

Experimental belt kit.  Doggie not included.

I did a 7.62 mi Tab (run), smooth, level asphalt, 70-ish, @ 13:30ish pace.  Ruck at 26 lbs, belt kit at 14 lbs.  Which is relatively light but still...  

I was cruising America, baby.  Typical Crossfire ride, smooth and about as comfortable as it's gonna get.  Way less discomfort than either an internal or any other external frame.  A little shoulder discomfort towards the end, but to be expected without a waist belt.  But it did sink into the belt kit and took some load off the shoulders.  And loaded mags up front help balance things out.

I think this is gonna be my new Go-To ruck.  For most of the year when cold weather clothing and sleep system are not required.  For that I think the DG-16 is still gonna rock.  But for hot weather ops, this pack is the shit.  And I swear, I'm gonna review the -16 most skosh.        

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

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Diz posted:

...I did a 7.62 mi Tab (run), smooth, level asphalt, 70-ish, @ 13:30ish pace.  Ruck at 26 lbs, belt kit at 14 lbs.  Which is relatively light but still...

I have to ask this sort off topic thing: Where do you do these rucks and runs with gear on? I mean, you aren't living on base now (I don't think), so are out in civilization and, no one looks at you too funny? 

I do ruck things, and the other day in the 40° rain wore my PC under the goretext for a dog walk, but I'd happily go for long dog walks with my full LBE on... but for the risk of being asked pointedly by the very nice police man what I am up to. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

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Man, I feel like I've been waiting to see what this thing looks like forever.  Thanks for getting pictures up.

Yeah, I totally wasn't expecting the body of the bag to look like it does.  With the tri-zip and vertical design it reminds me more of the Arc'teryx Khard or Mayflower Summit than a medium ALICE.  Can you remove the floating lid and replace it with a flat top flap like with the DG16, and can the hip pad be turned into a proper belt for those of us not using webbing?

Without the floating lid, I think this is getting pretty close to the patrol pack concept put forth in jcustisredux's assault/patrol pack thread.  Props to Crossfire for filling a huge gap in the marketplace.

Yeah I think you're right; this is a nice niche in the market; it's a nice medium external with option to go internal.  I'll post some more pics of all that shit later.  The top lid is not removable like the -16, which I will also get some pics up.  Soon.

As for running, well, I sorta just motor around the neighborhood, but, I've been doing that shit for years, so nobody really gives me a second look.  Also, I will dress out in PT gear, versus cammies, so that de-mil's it a bit.  Maybe it's just North Carolina, but nobody seems to give a shit.  

We also have a ruck division at out local marathon, so you do see guys rucking- more like the Go Ruck shit, but you do see guys rucking around here.   

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

I’ve got one myself that I’m starting to play with. 

 

I especially like the modular design that that allows the DG-3 to be turned from an external frame to an internal frame depending upon one’s usage requirements and personal fetish’s. 

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Yeah the internal frame is gonna work for a lot of guys, especially mounted.  But the external rocks it for me, for dismounted patrolling.  

Yeah there is a full waist belt, and a separate lumbar pad for use without frame, all pretty cool.  More pics later.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

I was playing with my DG-3A on a scout camp last fortnight at Stradbroke Island. 

 

Not a lot of real work, except chasing after wayward scouts with it on. 

 

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Yeah I really like the center zip (not really a "tri-zip" but same concept).  It has pushed me away from the one big bloody bag concept, into smaller WP bags, which I'm liking.  Have to admit, it's a lot easier to access specific bags when you need them, rather than doing the ruck sack dump.   In the old days, I just didn't trust the old metal zippers; now the synthetics have a good track record so I'm giving it a shot.    

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

BSO posted:

Any idea when Crossfire will be offering the frame & pack in MC?

Thanks BTW, great pics!! I want one

I'm not affiliated with Crossfire, but I found myself in a phone conversation with them yesterday afternoon. Keep your eyes out closer to SHOT Show for both MC DG-3s and DG-16s

Speaking of...they will have a booth at SHOT. To all those fortunate to attend, plan to stop by and visit them!

Matlock posted:

The real question is this: when will Crossfire be offering this thing at all. I can't find it on the website.

Looks like our man Diz got the hookup on this. Very jealous.

Also a topic in the phone call. Crossfire is about to unveil a new website that will showcase all of their frames and pack offerings. 

 

I can't stress enough how great these guys have been to work with.

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good Glock at your side, kid.

A booth at SHOT? This year? 

That’s news to me, and I’m going to SHOT for them this year. 

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Well, Crossfire has been concentrating on the engineering side as of late.  Now they are getting ready to market some things.  Their website certainly needs some fleshing out with their current offerings.  I'm sure we'll see that shortly.

The DG-3 and DG-16 should both be available in OCP, and hopefully very soon.

What you guys need to understand is they are geared towards providing  soldiers with specialist kit, not necessarily a broad spectrum approach, like you may be used to with other vendors.  They may be slowly changing, in response to the market, but their focus is on sales to military units.  If SOCOM responds to their offerings, that will drive the train in regards to it's availability to us.  

Crossfire has many interesting initiatives going on.  Not only rucks, but boots, belt kits, sleep systems, and wind proof smocks.  We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg here.  I am very excited I found out about these guys and have had the privilege to test out some of their kit.  I am hoping that not only will SOCOM take notice but that we will all have the opportunity to see more of their stuff.  

I don't think there are any new booths available at SHOT right now, but Crossfire will certainly be represented there, by 22F and hopefully some others.

As to the OP, I have never been a big fan of the center zip but it's certainly growing on me.           

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Thanks for the positive comments and the requests. Absolutely agree our web page is garbage at the moment ( new site is inbound).

Reference the DG and other projects currently in pipeline  as mentioned we won't turn anything out until its been evaluated and I've had my best attempt to break it. The DG 3 is not far from production ( we have a govt contract to fill first) and the long awaited return of updated SAS Pack is progressing as is a new range of pouches to compliment the DG range ( 7ltr clamshell with a few tricks , 5ltr top load, 5ltr clamshell). 

Ref the confusion ref SHOT Crossfire will be there ,however, at this stage we won't have a stand , however, that may change. I'm always keen to meet over a beer and solve worlds problems.  

We are always keen to get feedback good or bad. 

Nelso out!

Yes indeed, bunky, I said SMOCKS.  They have a lovely smock in development right now, in Auscam, and hopefully OCP down the road.  It is very much a traditional design, in that it is very light weight (as opposed to the '95 pattern and current stuff) but uses very innovative materials and construction techniques.  So it's a nice update of the classic design, much like Jay Jay's, SASS, Arktis, etc.  I put it on at AUSA and didn't want to give it back.  

But wait, there's more.  I just received a pair of their "tabbing" boots, which are designed from the bottom (literally) up for ruck marching.  I've been looking for a good boot like this for years.  

And there's a belt kit they developed for some allied forces.  Not to mention a really nice PC that I haven't had time to mess with.  And of course, the classic SAS rucksacks.  

I'm really beginning to like this bunch.     

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Yeah time and place for everything.  I can see the center zip for guys like me with mostly soft goods to throw in there.  For guys with sharp pointy military shit, the top loader still works very well.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Yeah you're not alone.  I never trusted zippers for up-teen years.  Just on principle.  But maybe I can do some R&D to prove them out.  My buddy is threatening to grab batts, belts, n shit to add to my ruck so it's legit testing.  As an added bonus, we will see how the DG's stack up against the MR's.  Hopefully we'll be able to finally get out Tuesday for a hump.      

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Diz posted:

Yeah you're not alone.  I never trusted zippers for up-teen years.  Just on principle.  But maybe I can do some R&D to prove them out.  My buddy is threatening to grab batts, belts, n shit to add to my ruck so it's legit testing.  As an added bonus, we will see how the DG's stack up against the MR's.  Hopefully we'll be able to finally get out Tuesday for a hump.      

I never contemplated a tri-zip for that exact concern.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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They are in the process of up-dating their website as we speak.  You can email them and ask for more specifics if you want, but basically they are in the process of finishing up some military orders and then working on some civvy demand.  

The DG-16 frameset (that is, frame and suspension) is available for purchase, in OCP, direct from their website.  That's Aussie dollars so change to US dollars to see our price.  This is the frame you want for a short back ruck, if you're about 5'11" or taller.  Or if you're shorter than that, but want a long back ruck.  

You'd have to ask them about the DG-3 frameset (which would be highly recommended).  This is what you want for a short back ruck if you're about 5'6" to maybe 5'11".  Or if you want a long back ruck for folks of shorter stature.

If you'd like a complete DG-3, or DG-16 system, in OCP, you can also order direct through their website (note: they don't have a dealer network) but I'm not sure of availability right now.  I know they are in the process of procuring more OCP material as we speak.  So there might be a delay, but well worth it, IMHO.

The pricing is actually very good, in US dollars; very favorable to like-quality from Gucci brands here.  The shipping costs weren't that bad either.  

So stand by to stand by.  I'm sure we'll hear from them soon.  When the website is updated, I would assume the new products are ready for order.     

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

OK, after a good heavy hike in this thing, I've reached the conclusion that the DG-16 frame is actually better, for me, than the DG-3.  So this torso length thing is critical.  A 20" frame actually fits me better than a 18".  But the upside of this, is for all those guys who have said the ALICE frame is just too long, you now have a good option to try.  

So I would amend my opinion as follows.  For those up to 5'10", the DG-3 is for you.  If you are 5'11" and above, I would recommend the DG-16 frame.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Diz posted:

OK, after a good heavy hike in this thing, I've reached the conclusion that the DG-16 frame is actually better, for me, than the DG-3.  So this torso length thing is critical.  A 20" frame actually fits me better than a 18".  But the upside of this, is for all those guys who have said the ALICE frame is just too long, you now have a good option to try.  

So I would amend my opinion as follows.  For those up to 5'10", the DG-3 is for you.  If you are 5'11" and above, I would recommend the DG-16 frame.  

...and for the vertically challenged? Lol

5'6" and below..

 

 

Depends on your torso length.  The DG-3 is 18", which is shorter than most frames, including the ALICE, DEI 1606, and the DG-16.  So if you've had issues with the ALICE frame before, this might be for you.  

Measure from "neck bump" to just above waist line.  If you're anywhere close to 18", you're probably GTG.  Basically the frame needs to sit between these two points, if you want to run a belt kit.    

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Good afternoon all and sundry,

a quick heads up, I have been able to secure 13 MC DG3's ( overrun on order). I hope to have them posted to our web site by NLT the end of this week ( pending arrival).

They will be approx $295 (Aust) excluding postage. 

If interest is any indicator they will go pretty quickly. 

 

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Wow that's a smokin' deal.   If you need the 18" torso length frame, there it is.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

I was fooling around with the DG-3 bag and DG-16 frame and what do you know, they actually do work together quite nicely.  I was thinking there would be too big a difference for the bottom tabs to engage but there is not.  This is really good news for those of you who prefer the DG-16 frame; both bags will work on it, giving you a nice updated Medium and Large ALICE type system, on a single frame.

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Alright, apologies for tardiness. 

Weight of the DG-3A in external frame setup using my fish scales is just under 2.8kg or 6.15 lbs. 

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Well between the ALICE pack, DG16 threads and this it appears this forum (besides being a wealth of information) may lighten my pocketbook considerably! This appears to be exactly what I've been looking for to replace my tired ALICE medium for use in conjunction with a belt kit. Looking forward to getting some miles under one.

The uptake for the overrun DG3's has been hectic. As of 16:01 26/11/18 we have 2 MC DG3's and 5 Khaki DG3's still available. At this stage pending filling contract orders we hope to have more DG3's available early to mid January 19. We are looking at making them in Ranger Green, Khaki, MC and OCP. Any thoughts, cunning ideas or criticism's accepted and appreciated. 

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