The New and Improved DG-3 Ruck

Yeah I would again bow to Running Wolf on this, but, 1) do you always carry the shipping tube?  If so, no problem, a reinforced soft pouch should work.  If not, will bare round tear up soft pouch? 2) If so, how about some combo of kydex and cordura?  Kinda like a kydex holster insert with cordura cover.  Or maybe hypolon and cordura? 3) How much does a single round weigh?

This is an interesting project because you are approaching the limits of what a soft pouch can/will carry without shitting the bed.  When do you switch from soft goods to metal/polymer mounting system.  I'm thinking of those new "skeletonized" pouch holders that seem to be all the rage with JSOC these days.  This might be a good app for them.  

One thing that MR did that is interesting is the "Overload" system like my buddy currently uses.  With a few mods to a Crossfire system, you could have a pack frame that could work as: a stand-alone back panel for various crew served weapons systems (Goose, Jav, 240, etc); with a pack bag (with perhaps some kind of pass-through attachment system for heavy shit on the back wall); or with tab strap extensions, fit the bag (like maybe a DG-3) over the crew served stuff, ala "overload".

Not sure how much/often you want to do that, as I sit here with a beer, but if you have to carry all that shit, this might be a better way than laundry sacks.

Another idea from the GIF:  What if you ran a zip around the hard panel, so you could add a pack bag, with the hard panel now acting as the rear wall, which can now still mount heavy shit.  Kinda like the AWS Yote beaver tail.  Yeah if you want to trust a zipper that much, WTF, put a center zip in in too!  Ha, there's your ultimate "tri-zip".  

We now return you to your regular program.                 

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Diz good copy on the DG16 panel being needed for plates, Greg advised the same.  He also said that they are planning on offering inserts for some of the crew served bits being discussed here. Not that some inserts are going to take the place of a dedicated platform.

I would like to see an optional hard panel offered; like the DG-3 internal panel that would work on either frame.  If you run a 3L bladder down the back, it can bow out and negate the back stand-off area, and/or fight your back plate for space.  So a rigid back would keep the bag from contacting your back, or give you a nice platform to hang a radio or other shit from.  I'm thinking if it was tied in with web tabs, the frame would still be able to articulate with you, making the back panel "independent" of you.

If it was hung with web tabs, you could hang it directly to the frame, as a pack board, or hang it internally, in the bag on the frame, or hang it internal and run it as an internal frame.  Lots of options here.  If the web tabs all aligned, the weight would be transferred right through the bag to the frame.  Or to the shoulder straps, via the top web loops.       

 

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Diz posted:

I would like to see an optional hard panel offered; like the DG-3 internal panel that would work on either frame.  If you run a 3L bladder down the back, it can bow out and negate the back stand-off area, and/or fight your back plate for space.  So a rigid back would keep the bag from contacting your back, or give you a nice platform to hang a radio or other shit from.  I'm thinking if it was tied in with web tabs, the frame would still be able to articulate with you, making the back panel "independent" of you.

If it was hung with web tabs, you could hang it directly to the frame, as a pack board, or hang it internally, in the bag on the frame, or hang it internal and run it as an internal frame.  Lots of options here.  If the web tabs all aligned, the weight would be transferred right through the bag to the frame.  Or to the shoulder straps, via the top web loops.       

 

Sounds like the Old, Old School trick if running a panel of ration pack cardboard down the back of an Alice frame to stop angular bag contents digging into your back

The only point l will say is the  aperture in the frame has a two fold design ;

1: accept plate;

2: promote air circulation, 

l can appreciate the non bounce option of if you have rigged a bladder.

We can look at options then l guess it’s time for me to play text crash dummy again. Keep the ideas and suggestions coming.  Thank you for your frankness and taking time to tap out your thoughts 

The Goose is supposedly coming down the pipe but we haven’t got it yet so my only experience is with the Jav, AT4, and 240. I would think keeping the Goose rounds in the shipping tube until use would be smart to protect them but I don’t have the experience to back it. I know a guy that does and will ask. If I’m not mistaken 84mm rounds are around 10 pounds a piece.

Another point to add with the CLU, if carrying the tube we usually keep the cord attached but when just using the CLU for observation there’s no point in it so maybe some kinda Velcro straps to hold the cord in place on the pack when not attached? Second point is a means to carry a spare battery for the CLU. They are bulky but when used on a LP/OP you ALWAYS need spare batteries. A solid means to carry it without sticking it in the small stuff pouch on the bottom like I mentioned to Greg would be good but if not possible then you should at least be able to fit one in the stuff pouch on the bottom.

Just to point out, not everyone runs bladders on the back wall.  In fact lots of guys run them under the top lid, so this is not a big issue that you can't work around.  It's just something that either I mod my technique or adapt a new one.  

The point being to make a space for a rear plate, and/or an air gap to your back.  It does that very well.  I am just pissing and moaning about what I want to do.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Went out for a little yomp the other day.  DG-3 at 35 lbs.  The difference between this little gem and an ALICE just keeps coming back.  Night and day.  I am using the sternum strap like there's no tomorrow.  So if you're having issues, cinch this baby down and see if it helps.  Without a belt kit,  I like things tighter around the shoulder gridle, especially for speed marches.  The shoulder strap geometry is money.  It curves in and out to support the weight without your arms going numb.

So yeah, in spite of all my pissing and moaning here, this ruck rocks out.  

A couple of things if you're adding ruck marching to your program.  It's been said in the past that if you want to get good at rucking, go ruck, which is true to a certain extent, but I am finding that by combining a ruck march program with your running (and lifting) program, the cross-training does improve performance.  The running and rucking play off one another.

Also, you can combine them by doing "weighted" workouts, that is your regular run but with the ruck.  I did hill repeats with the ruck the other day, and it was a kick.  Rotate things around so you're only doing 2 rucks a week, but replacing different things, like speed work, hill repeats, and long runs.

This kind of training was truly a pain in the ass (and shoulders) with an ALICE system; with the Crossfires it's much more doable.  You can concentrate on your overall training fitness rather than being distracted by other shit.       

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

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