And loaded up.

Another view.

Back.

And with beaver tail/ helmet cave.  This sucker really expands and will take a full-sized helmet.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Thanks, well done and great pics. I've been through a few packs, Kifaru and Arc'teryx. This looks like the best yet. 

So will this be available as a complete pack? I hope so. Cheers 

Certified Glock, S&W, SIG  Armourer

Colt, REM Armourer

This looks so amazingly simplistic, yet thorough.  How did it take so long to make this, and have it stand out from the crowd?

Just wow.

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

JOINED:  9/20/09     LOCATION:  Outside of KSA Finally!

Yeah and yeah.  The DG-3 comes complete with external frameset, internal frameset, bladder pouch, radio pouch, two extra internal pouches, and beavertail.  If you bought an equivalent MR ruck, you'd pay extra for all that shit.  

A lot of work went into this package.  The design guy, Ian,  has over 30 years experience in packs and outdoor gear, including work with Australian Forces, especially the Commando and SAS Regiments.

So you are getting a really good package, at a smoking price.   

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

OK, here's some more shit.  

117Golf Radio bag.  Tabs into back panel.

 

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

And here's how to convert it to an internal frame.  

Here's the stripped down bag, and internal framesheet.

Inside of frame sheet.  Note aluminum stays.  These guys don't miss a trick.

And internal frame compartment.

Frame slips in, alum stays away from you.

Pull out bottom flap.

And tuck over frame.  Mate velcro.

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Here I have pre-installed tri-glides for shoulder harness.  Note upper harness straps are inboard (and turned around), and top load stab straps are outboard.  If you were wondering why there are two sets of loops, there you go. 

Now you rig in the top harness straps.  For extra stability, pass them under the "jock strap".

Now rig the bottom harness straps, through the bottom loops.

Now cinch down harness as required.  Here I'm about as far down as I can get, so it rests on patrol belt pouches.  

Add in lower shoulder straps.  Here you just pass through bottom loops and butt up against strap loops.

 

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

And rig in upper stab straps.  For extra stability, pass stab strap under all shoulder harness loops.

Here's the internal frame pad.  

And in place.

Add on side pads and waist strap.  Note there are two sets of 1 1/2" loops; one on the bag, the other on the pad.  Pass through both.  This locks everything together.  

 

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

And boom, internal frame ruck.

Another shot.  Note nice curvature from alum stays.  

And that's about it.  Again, everything you see here is included in the package:

Main bag, external frameset, internal frameset, bladder pouch, radio pouch, two side internal pouches, and beaver tail/helmet hut.

You get all this shit with your order.  One DG-3 kit each, MC, CB, or RG in color.

ETA is early July.

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Shit all this computer crap had to get out and ruck!  Ran the external frame with 30 lbs, 10K speed march. Kinda hot but nice breeze.  Averaged 12:30 min/miles.  You will never see me in an ALICE or 1606 frame again.  Unless it's for testing purposes only, to remember the SUCK.      

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

That is all kind of nice.  I never imagined an internal frame providing practically all the benefits of an external, as far as providing breathing room for your back.  Just seems incredibly well thought out, and that's coming from a guy that has owned 2 different MRs with NICE frames.

Tankersteve

In Yorktown, VA.          Joined August 2008

Gov't Civilian, after retiring from active duty in 2015. 

 

'One's own open sore never smells.'  - Haitian proverb

Yeah I've had a few MR's of my own.  I am really impressed by these packs.  The internal framesheet is pretty fookin stiff, especially with the alum stays.  It doesn't stand quite that far off your back when you put it on; it's more like a std internal, in that it snugs up and helps you maintain balance, if that's a concern for you.  But also hot!  I'd say external for summer ops, and maybe internal for winter, especially mountain ops, or ski/snow shoeing.   

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Since a few folks have asked, allow me to post this again.  Here is a DG-3, compared to a DG-16, and a MR Overload.

 

DG-16, Overload, DG-3

Notice DG-3 is in between the two shapes, especially in top lid design.

Overload needs bolsters for BA; DG's not.

Front full zip on both.  Tri zip on Overload; std top lid on DG-3.

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

I would say, off the top of my head, that the DG-3 with internal frame would compare very favorably with an MR NICE frame and Futura yoke.  A DG-3 with external polymer frame is superior to a MR NICE, even new mil-spec NICE, IMHO.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Note for the discerning eye.  I have since detached the top lid, and put it on tri-glides like the DG-16.    I did this so when the pack is not full, you can cinch down top lid, fore and aft.  Just a quirk of mine I suppose.   

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

OK up Crowder's Mountain this morning, taking some pics for the new website in development.  

Here's the money shot:

And the front:

Good little hump up there this morning.  DG-3, with DG-3 frameset and full waist belt.  Adjusted for "long back", so waist belt fits on hips.   Notice how shoulder harness is sitting all the way up.  About 35 lbs, wet, maybe 8-9% grade, 10K total distance.  Wx: low 80's, humid.  But shade, most of way.  

 

I was pleasantly surprised at how the stock DG-3 system carried.  Since it's a bit shorter than it needs to be, for me, the frame gave me a little more off-set, since the curve was not aligned with my back.  This off-set creates a bit more space, and more ventilation!  Unintended consequences and a new hot weather technique.  Having a full waist belt back on also makes a huge difference, as opposed to speed marching with just the lumbar pads.   I think I'm gonna end up with two DG-3's; one rigged up as a short back, for use with belt order (in MC), and the other rigged up long back with full waist belt (in CB).  The first obviously for 2-3 day woodland patrol; the last for urban/semi-urban E&E, when I want to blend in a bit more.    

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Diz, WTF man, I always assumed you were out east somewhere around Bragg!  Crowders is my neck of the woods (or at least where I still think of as home).  If you can pull yourself out of the woods for a few hours one day, we could grab a beer on LKN somewhere. 

--Dave

 

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally."

Ha yeah I'm pretty much like horseshit, around everywhere.  Love to link up sometime.  I have several packs to shoot in the coming days so yeah a cold brew would be in order.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Another funny thing.  I was doing speed work on the track this morning, and I noticed that I was putting out just as hard walking up a mountain with a ruck, as I was running 800's on a track.  Probably pretty close in HR and breath rate.   I always get a kick out of that; barely moving up a steep incline with a ruck, but hoovering like bitch.

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Okee Dokee, we went out for a little stroll today, out on the road to Morrow Mt.  MR Overload, head-to-head with DG-3.

My bud in his Overload.

And me in my trusty DG-3.

Switching at the half-way point.  My buddy in the DG-3.

And me in the Overload.

Both packs, about 35-40 lbs.  HAF (hot as fuck).  About a 10K. 

Conclusions.  They both are great packs, when you are fresh, the weather is not too stupid, the load isn't too heavy, you don't have too move fast, and/or you don't have to go too far.  Yeah and if I didn't have toes, I could wear smaller boots.  As the hump progresses, the differences start to tell.   Now the Futura frameset is a decent design, but , after awhile, the suspension padding is lighter and starts to wear on your shoulders.  The foam and mesh is in full contact with your back, just like an internal, and soon drenches your back.  And the hip belt is so stiff, it fights your natural hip movement, making them sore.  

As opposed to the DG-3, where the shoulder harness padding is noticeably better, the external frame creates a nice air gap around back, and the frame/waist belt flexes with you, rather than fighting your movement.  So overall, the DG frameset just carries the load much better.   

I think the Futura frameset is a great design for a 3-day internal frame pack, but just doesn't cut it on larger rucks.  Once you get over a certain weight limit, it rapidly breaks down.  I know they have improved the military NICE frame, but I think it's still just a gussied-up internal frame sheet.  We both concluded that a military ruck system, at a certain weight, just needs to have an external frame.

As an added bonus, we threw on his JPC and saw how it worked with both the DG-3 and the Overload.  No comparison.  The DG external frame literally "frames" around the rear plate, while the Overload center-points on it, with the bolsters fighting to keep it from sliding around.

And this is a guy with extensive experience, humping several different MR rucks.  Legit military load outs, on real missions and lots of training.  Just back from Eastern Europe as a matter of fact.   I think there will be several Crossfire rucksacks in his future.             

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

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