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KLR, I've been thinking about getting a Troy PAR for staying compliant within CA though. How many rounds have you put through it so far? And what were your overall impressions of it, build, quality, etc? From just viewing video clips here and there it was hard to tell how solid those action bars were, even if just handling 5.56 and not 12GA. Overall it seems like it would fit that role nicely. I saw a mention or two here and there on LF, but don't recall ever having seeing someone on here do a write-up or even a quick overview.

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I like it.  I was able to get it sighted in and that was about it.  Hoping to get it out to the range on Thursday. Based upon my disassembly -solidly built.  I have no concerns about breaking by cycling the rifle or anything like that. Certainly not concerned about 5.56. Bit more recoil than a standard AR (as expected).  I put a SPARC II on top and an INFORCE WML on the forend and it is good to go.  Really, really like the folding stock.  Would I take it over any of my standard ARs?  Nope, but it fills one niche very well.  This guy does a full disassembly of the .308 version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKKhu8s-gxg

Yeah I was thinking the same in terms of not comparing to an AR. Initially I was thinking of getting the Ruger Gunsite Scout or Mossberg MVP in 5.56 for a light non-semi auto CA travel gun. Not that it's easily available, but I turned away from even thinking about the Remington 7615 after reading several people from here and their experiences. The PAR seems like a good choice, able to take common mags, rail already mounted and stock folds for transport. Despite people's opinions on the company's politics, their products are generally proven commodity.

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

I had the full intention of posting almost this exact question concerning an AR pistol, later considering the Tavor.  However, I was giving serious consideration to doing a CZ Scorpion with a folding SB brace.  Any thoughts/input?

I carry 9mm for duty use, so I have access to 9mm regularly.  the Scorpion is priced right, folding stock available, and I already have a 9mm suppressor with same thread pattern, which are all big pluses. I figured the 5.56 in very short barrels aren't gaining much over HP 9mm ammo out of a Scorpion barrel at short/intermediate distances.

The biggest reason I would go AR pistol is my current investment in the AR platform already, mags/ammo/accessories, plus having a duty AR and 5.56 mags at hand already.  I just thought that 147gr Speer G2 or 147gr Federal HST with folding stock and suppressor at hand might give some advantages.

For a travel long gun, my California compliant choice so far is a 18” barrel lever w/scout rail and ghost ring sights, in 45-70. I’ve tried reddot but pulled it and am saving for an EER  Scout scope to try. The wife’s concept was if you want a rifle for travel, you should be able to buy ammo at KMart, and it should be powerful enough to stop any problem and the truck they are driving.

Occasionally, I carry an AR in addition to whatever pistol I happen to be carrying. I have an old Stag lower that I pinned a PSA Premium 14.7" CHF upper to. It isn't the equivalent of a Colt or a BCM by any means, but it is a decent rifle that has never given any problems. If it were to be taken by an LEO for some reason, or in an outright break-in of the vehicle, I would be pissed, but not nearly as much as losing my BCM or Colt! I usually LEAVE six or seven 30 round mags in the car, as well as likely-needed spare parts for an AR. This stuff stays in the car, and if I feel the need, I just throw the rifle in.

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Updating this thread. Since LE are very definitely under attack now and regular earth people are running into large armed mobs...

Relevant.  Still running the 870 with folder, mix of slugs and buck. I've added a Blackhawk Diversion bag to hide an AR. Thousands in med bills mean no AR pistol... but looking at carrying my issued 17 and a pile of mags a lot more.

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The wife and I have been looking at a more compact version of our lever guns. Marlin has come out with a pistol caliber 16” barrel version of their SBL with scout rail and ghost ring sights. I’ve been thinking the 44 mag version and the wife the 357 version. We have freedom arms revolvers to match, once again low enough capacity to avoid mag caps, yet potent enough to do decent work

I was carrying my 10" AR pistol a few times when things were a little crazier last month or so. I just bought a 8" 9mm AR Pistol with Sba3 brace that is nice and compact. I need to zero the reddot and run a bunch of rounds through it before I start carrying it.  I like this because it takes Glock Mags so it works well with my handgun. 

I also just bought a Mossberg Shockwave 12g and put a Sba3 brace on it with a 4 shell side saddle and a light on it. It is nice and compact.

I'd really like to find a way to mount one behind the rear seat of my truck. For now, the sit in a tennis racquet bag in my truck when I take one.

This is on top of having my CCW pistol on me. 

Need to get a small backpack / sling bag to put Extra ammo, etc in.

I also inherited a . 357 revolver and a bunch of ammo, so that. 357 rifle intrigues me... 🤔😊

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I have been thinking about a 10" AR  with one of those folding stock mods. I just don't know if it is  gimmick or not. It does offer the advantage of reducing the length in the bag, but is it a point of failure?

Folding stocks exist because they look cool, are necessary for storage, or they are standard on the rifle and you can't get the rifle without a folding stock.  First of all, if you have the money there is nothing wrong with buying something you want, just because you want it.  Freedom means you don't have to justify it to anyone else.  Pat always said, "The mission drives the gear".  Are your storage options so limited that you need a 10" with a folding stock?  I'm not saying that's the wrong idea, but I'll tell you my choices and why, and you can decide how much of that applies to you.  Ultimately though, if you don't know why you want it, it's probably a gimmick. 

Define travel.  Is it around town or is it interstate?  Does your local area have a problem with street violence, riots, BLM and Antifa pilgrimage site?  In my area, I pack something that will help me get home.  Under normal circumstances, it is a Kel-tec Sub2000 with Glock magazines, and a Glock that uses the same mags.  The Kel-Tec folds in half so it fits behind a seat, which is legal here.  If there isn't reason to open carry, it fits in a back pack.

If I'm traveling out of state, I want at least 5.56mm and a 14.5" pinned or 16" barrel because it can handle more threats at a greater distance.  If it is legal where I'm traveling, I'd also consider something like a braced pistol with a 12.5" barrel.  A folding stock keeps everything attached and just requires extending the stock.  But if you unpin the upper from lower, the two haves are probably no more bulky than a folding stock.  The primary advantage of a folding stock over separating halves is the speed of getting it into action.  Unfolding a stock is faster than putting the two haves together, but I don't think it makes the package more compact.  I want something that is effective out to 100-200 yds.  I can store a larger gun than the SUB2000, but I might have to make some adjustments.

The most restrictive state near me is Commifornia.  For travel there, I bring the FightLite SCR I built and discussed in another thread.  It would fit the bill for most other restrictive states as well, though I check the laws for any states I'm going to pass through if I'm traveling.  With 10 rd mags, it's good for most.  No pistol grip, 16" barrel, 5.56mm.  My restrictive state travel handgun is a Glock 48 with the factory 10rd mags.  If I had to, I've got a Winchester 92 clone in .44 Spl. 

My travel gun was an 11.5" BCM Upper'd Pistol with a LAW folder but its slightly dismantled now as that upper is now my SWAT gun and G$ refuses to get their LE Uppers in stock. I love having a LAW and I need to add a second one to another lower. Can the same compact AR be completed without a LAW? Yes. Can it be completed where you could still get it into action quick without assembling the gun? No. I'm not a fan of the PDW stop stocks either. This is a timely topic as I'm traveling out of state tonight on a family emergency and I'm kicking myself for not having gotten this rifle set back up again like I had it and didn't grab that upper from work before I took off. 

Folding ability isn't absolutely necessary but damn if it doesn't make everything a ton handier and less inconspicuous than carrying a long rifle looking bag everywhere.

I wish I could get my Beretta 1301 setup as a 14" barrel or that they could be taken down easier as I would love that gun as a compact 50 state travel but that thing is a bit hard to disguise length wise going into a hotel.

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The reason the wife and I are working the lever end is not having to worry about which state we are going to or driving through.  357, 44, or 45-70 from 16” barrel  should work 200 yards or less for most things. It also has the better optic of not being one of those evil “assault rifles”

My assessment, too. I have a 590 loaded with slugs, equipped as much like my AR as possible (sling, Aimpoint, Surefire fore end), but I could see even that drawing negative attention if used. It is also a bit unwieldy. Some baby prosecutors have been really damaged by law school, putting aside that use of force is an hour or of class time and they don't know what they don't know. I have a Marlin CSBL in .357 on order (almost 4 months now, FML) and a collection of accessories to make it more functional for me.

I avoid really dumb places as much as possible (Western WA, Oregon, CA, the west coast counterparts to NJ/MD/MA). I don't have time to travel outside the state right now anyway. We did a road trip to Illinois in March for various reasons, and with 2 rotts and their crates, even the Ascent was packed tight. As things work out, we will build a Super C motorhome in part as an escape pod (a string coming to the "Hard Times and Bad Days" forum some time), and armament will be considered. All I took on that trip was a variety of handguns, all with capacities under 10. Primary was my PC Shield 9mm 4" w/RDS, a very satisfactory platform. Others were scattered about in places accessible to my wife and I. First step was avoiding silly places; second step is my unwelcoming demeanor; 3rd is two rotts.

My out of state travel is under LEOSA, one reason I keep my Shield as my primary.  And I added a 4 inch 66 for "need more gun" not necessarily capacity wise, and I'll be qualifying with it at work. 

My ARs would do in many states traveling but the folding 870 with good ammo keeps my warm fuzzy meter on deterring threats for now.  While 90 rounds of 5.56 is nice, a 1oz slug has its own merits.

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Folding stocks exist because they look cool, are necessary for storage, or they are standard on the rifle and you can't get the rifle without a folding stock.  First of all, if you have the money there is nothing wrong with buying something you want, just because you want it.  Freedom means you don't have to justify it to anyone else.  Pat always said, "The mission drives the gear".  Are your storage options so limited that you need a 10" with a folding stock?  I'm not saying that's the wrong idea, but I'll tell you my choices and why, and you can decide how much of that applies to you.  Ultimately though, if you don't know why you want it, it's probably a gimmick. 

Define travel.  Is it around town or is it interstate?  Does your local area have a problem with street violence, riots, BLM and Antifa pilgrimage site?  In my area, I pack something that will help me get home.  Under normal circumstances, it is a Kel-tec Sub2000 with Glock magazines, and a Glock that uses the same mags.  The Kel-Tec folds in half so it fits behind a seat, which is legal here.  If there isn't reason to open carry, it fits in a back pack.

If I'm traveling out of state, I want at least 5.56mm and a 14.5" pinned or 16" barrel because it can handle more threats at a greater distance.  If it is legal where I'm traveling, I'd also consider something like a braced pistol with a 12.5" barrel.  A folding stock keeps everything attached and just requires extending the stock.  But if you unpin the upper from lower, the two haves are probably no more bulky than a folding stock.  The primary advantage of a folding stock over separating halves is the speed of getting it into action.  Unfolding a stock is faster than putting the two haves together, but I don't think it makes the package more compact.  I want something that is effective out to 100-200 yds.  I can store a larger gun than the SUB2000, but I might have to make some adjustments.

I'm in central Florida. Travel for me is outside of Polk county, with occasional expeditions south through Miami. Currently my travel gun is my 16"  AR split in two, shoved in an assault pack sized backpack. I figured that a folding stock will be quicker and I need a shorter barrel, because it is about 2" too long. Currently I use a beach towel or something bulky to disguise the barrel. 

Honestly I had only thought about it, till now. I normally carry my G19. Then communist flash mobs started. I had always thought about a good truck gun and had some ideas, well now it's priority has been bumped up from #347 to #10. 

Now my bag has a rifle in it but I need to make it a little more compact. I like the Sub 2k idea, it's light, interoperable and handy. 

My specs are fit in a backpack or gym bag. Be interoperable with my current systems (Glock or AR), be able to be readily deployed by my wife or oldest daughter while under pressure, and be reliable. 

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