Hey man I need a plate carrier and I need some recommendations.

My budget is around 300 but I could go up if the upgrade is worth it.

I shoot real steal and also play Airsoft

When playing Airsoft I do milsim events as well as regular skirmishes. Milsim events are at least a day long.

I need something comfortable enough to Wear for day(s) but also slim enough to play in only 30-40 minute games as well.

I need MOLLE on the admin area for tactical universal clip.

Modularity would also be very nice like swift clips but it is not 100% needed..

 

Some PC I have in mind are :

Mayflower apc

Velocity scarab Le front LT back

First spear strandhogg (bit expensive only thing I love about it is the tubes system)

Crye jpc 2.0

Lbt 6094 (wait for sale)

 

Also the plate carrier I buy must be able to accept the first spear tubes system as that is going to be my cummerbund of choice in the future after I saved up enough money for it. 

 

Thank you to you all I appreciate it!!!!

 

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For some reason, I feel obligated to warn you:

This site is generally not the place to post you airsoft questions, although there are members here who participate and they may reach out to you. Generally speaking, it is best to spend your first few months (or years) here reading through the various topics and enlightening yourself on  not only the format, but the content before posting; unless the topic is very specific and you can provide the relevant parameters.

"Plate carriers and armor" is probably one of the most discussed topics on this site, so there is a ton of info available to you at your fingertips, should you chose to look. You aren't likely to get many responses, based on your initial post. Many people here wear armor for a living, so any response you get (or lack thereof) will be filtered through that lens. I see that you joined our ranks today. I hope you made your post in the new member thread (per you initial email on instructions) before you shot this RFI out. Good luck.  

Feardo37 posted:

Hey man I need a plate carrier and I need some recommendations.

My budget is around 300 but I could go up if the upgrade is worth it.

I shoot real steal and also play Airsoft

When playing Airsoft I do milsim events as well as regular skirmishes. Milsim events are at least a day long.

I need something comfortable enough to Wear for day(s) but also slim enough to play in only 30-40 minute games as well.

I need MOLLE on the admin area for tactical universal clip.

Modularity would also be very nice like swift clips but it is not 100% needed..

 

Some PC I have in mind are :

Mayflower apc

Velocity scarab Le front LT back

First spear strandhogg (bit expensive only thing I love about it is the tubes system)

Crye jpc 2.0

Lbt 6094 (wait for sale)

 

Also the plate carrier I buy must be able to accept the first spear tubes system as that is going to be my cummerbund of choice in the future after I saved up enough money for it. 

 

Thank you to you all I appreciate it!!!!

 

Thanks for being up front about what your intended use is.

If you’re not planning on running with actual armor (hard plates and/or Kevlar backers) then any of your choices will be plenty comfortable for your needs.

Be aware that PC’s without armor lack some rigidity and support, you’ll find out quickly how unbalanced the weight distribution is.

If you’re dead set on the FS tubes, check out the SKD/First Spear STT collaboration for a PC.

Not hating on airsoft, I played a lot of both airsoft and paintball before I enlisted and I use airsoft as a training aid for my guys but as previously mentioned understand that it's not really the target audience of this forum so you might catch some flak from time to time. Some people look down on it but I've gotten some really good training from it so rock on.

That being said I vote for the JPC 2.0 or even a JPC 1.0. You can't beat their simplicity, quality and value and after wearing one every other plate carrier I try feels unnecessary large and suffocating. If you plan on actually running plates I'd get training plates for your airsoft matches so you don't bang up your real plates. Also, if you are going to get real plates read through the body armor section on this website to learn about what kind of armor you should get (hint, it's not steel).

Check out the Arbor Arms cummerbund with First Spear tubes, little bit lower profile than the First Spear cummerbund. You could also have a JPC cummerbund modded to use the tubes which would be my reccomendation but I understand that cost is a concern.

If you are not going to use real plates, get a couple sheets of thick kydex, cut to fit and back with a good couple of layers of foam sleeping mat for bulk to make the thickness. This will provide the support normally provided by a real plate

Location Texas.

 

"So what are you gonna do if we get hit on this trip?" "Me?, I'm going to shoot some good pics of you nuking their ass. You do your job, I'll do mine. If I have to do yours,(unless you're the medic) we're probably all screwed!" - Standard reply , from Desert Storm through Iraqi Freedom

The topic of air soft has been covered by others so I will not dwell on it.

You will find that what you are doing with your games is not 180 degrees different from what we do for real; from a gear comfort and utilization standpoint. The recommendations on LF for PC and related equipment will reflect a balance of value, comfort, design execution, usability, modularity, and task suitability, but maybe not in that order.

There are numerous reviews of each of PCs you mentioned tucked away around the this site. I suggest using the search key in "Helmet and Body Armor" section, The "Stud Board" section followed by a perusal of the class AARs in the training section.

That said, each of the models you mentioned are excellent choices with different strengths. I would be comfortable being issued or buying out of my own pocket any one of them.  As it happens, I have owned most of these at one time or another.

The First Spear and Scarab are the most comfortable.
The APC and the 6094 represent a solid middle ground, and somewhat similar approaches to a problem.
The Cyre JPC in either version represents a minimalist design that is probably the best value out there. I have one sitting in my callout trunk as I type, as well as an APC.

You might also consider the Eagle PC. It is old school but solid.

For cheating plastic death, these are likely over kill for you. 

That pretty much covers it.   I would only add that a Tubes mod is usually possible for just about any PC, especially if you use the Crye skeletonized CB.  If Runningwolf cares to chime in, I did his mod and he really likes it.

I roll with a JPC 2.0 w/ Tubes mod and really like it.      

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Yea so my carrier started out as a Mayflower APC but after some mad scientist (Dr Diz) got ahold of it it’s some kinda APC/JPC/FS franken carrier and I’m loving this thing. Tubes on the cummerbund and left should strap makes this thing a breeze to get on and off and the tubes don’t get caked up with sand like the buckles on the IOTV and require a whole squad to get off. Tubes are definitely the way to go.

Ha, yeah man and I forgot about those zip panels we added last time so that thing is a JPC in everything but name only.  Runningwolf has the most shit-hot set up I've seen.  Including DAR-C drag handle (which he has posted on, check out archives).    

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

The DARC strap is fairly basic, they got some dudes I’ve trained with that had loops with cobra buckles sew up and put on there belts along with the other end of the buckle sewn into the strap on the plate carrier, that was pretty neat to see, then Spiritus Systems is making a DARC strap now.

If you're 100% dead set on the tubes, just buy an STT or Strandhogg.  With the cost of the retrofit cummerbund added to the base cost of a normal carrier you might as well have just bought the Strandhogg to begin with.

The LBT and Mayflower rigs are pretty similar, with a few pros and cons to each.

Mayflower APC

PROS: slightly lighter iirc, slightly slimmer shoulder pads, integrated admin pouch, spacer mesh when ordering from optactical, rear plate bag is SAPI cut, takes swift clips if that matters to you

CONS: no drag handle, inferior organization (fewer ways to route hoses, cables, wires, antennae, mount PTTs), inferior cummerbund (needs additional attachment to take side plates)

LBT 6094

PROS: drag handle, better padding, better built-in organization, better cummerbund (good side plate accomodation, integrated radio pouch, padding and mesh)

CONS: cbund can shift without modification (no velcro through rear channel), rear plate bag full cut, no integrated admin (recent models have GRG accomodation), overall a little bit less svelte, no ventilation from factory

I like the 6094 but it's hard to go wrong either way.  Even if you go armored you don't need side plates for medic rules, so the plate pockets aren't a big deal unless you want em for real life.

Haven't met anyone who bought the scarab that didn't eventually move back to the 6094, APC, or JPC.  Take that for what it's worth.  Not a fan of swiftclips for most applications unless you're actually changing calibers all the time or need to be able to quickly dump armor.  IMO front flap set up for 5.56 is the way to go.

I don't see a reason to use the TUC over a one or two-point sling.

Strandhogg has good padding and ventilation, perhaps an overkill amount of padding for airsoft use.  I've talked to a few guys who went from the Strandhogg to lighter carriers like the JPC to reduce bulk which for them led to more comfort (this was with weighted training plates), so that's something to consider.  IMO you don't really need tubes for airsoft.

Post-price drop the 2.0 is the way to go unless you find a 1.0 used for a good price.  Out of the options you listed I'd opt for a 6094 or a 2.0 depending on application, budget, load, and personal preference.  AWS also makes a 6094 that's only 150 but have fun with their website and customer service.

runningwolf posted:

The DARC strap is fairly basic, they got some dudes I’ve trained with that had loops with cobra buckles sew up and put on there belts along with the other end of the buckle sewn into the strap on the plate carrier, that was pretty neat to see, then Spiritus Systems is making a DARC strap now.

I’d like to see pics if you can

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Ditch Medic

Joined: October 2009

Location: Washington State

Well, here's a couple of pics to show you one way of doing it.

Here you can see the "water knot" up top, just peaking out enough to grab.  The 'biner is usually rigged on the PC until needed.  

Here you can see how the line is threaded down through the back (it's actually woven into the molle webbing) and handle "S" folded up top.  When fully deployed, the handle is long enough to support the head/neck, and allow two guys to drag.  The 'biner attaches to the riggers belt, so you are pulling from the belt, not the PC.  

What runningwolf wuz saying is that some guys are improving on this by adding a cobra buckle in here.  Quite similar to the old school technique of sewing a delta around back, but for different purposes.  

Note Canadian button pull tabs, which actually work quite well, especially in low light.

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

I love the tubes on my Strandhogg but I'm hoping for a more cost effective solution then the current Raine Bridger to make up for the lost space the tubes take up.  It's very minimal, but based on my role (LEO) I could certainly put some small items there (like my OC spray, a TQ, etc) that are currently elsewhere on my vest.

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