Well, winter finally hit Lake Erie. It's been blowing for the last 18 or so hours. The last 12 have had consistent winds at 25 mph or better with rain/sleet/snow. I should have ordered that truck cap a few weeks ago.

I'm thinking that the leaves won't need to be raked up anymore this season.

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If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

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Sounds like the major bases have been covered here, hard to top a LF list.   One thing I always make sure to have on my person, in my stuff and in my vehicle in the winter is a reliable way to make fire.    In the winter, this usually involves a refillable butane lighter, a Bic or two, plus some stormproof matches and a couple of Esbit or Trioxane tablets.   I also have a camp stove (little MSR Pocket Rocket) and a titanium cookset and steel Nalgene.    I have used this in the past to defrost stuff in a pinch.   I also carry a bath towel cut in half in with the blankets and stuff, in case I get wet and need to dry off or dry something off.

Although this didn't make the last move,  in addition to the regular winter prep stuff and recovery gear for the vehicle, I had two sections of conveyor belt material about 18"x6' that I used to put down underneath the tires if needed.   Put them together, made a mat you could lay on, also.

EDIT:  Forgot to mention I keep a spare set of winter wiper blades in the car, too.

The thing to remember is that winter and cold... DO NOT CARE. Like a gunfight if you are prepared you keep what you have. If you are unprepared, nature takes her forfeit early. Pretty simple.

So all of the things I mentioned above are just my way of making life easier. Winter can be a lot of fun, but everything is done slower with a eye towards conservation of energy and not breaking a sweat.

Heat conservation is important as well. I have igloo camped when the ambient temp was -10F. But the inside of the igloo warmed up to very comfortable 25-30F just from stationary body heat. That means the artic bag is now redundant and just the bivy cover and the green patrol bag should get one through the night in relative comfort. Insulation is key- I used two ground pads.

 

concentric posted:

Sounds like the major bases have been covered here, hard to top a LF list.   One thing I always make sure to have on my person, in my stuff and in my vehicle in the winter is a reliable way to make fire.    In the winter, this usually involves a refillable butane lighter, a Bic or two, plus some stormproof matches and a couple of Esbit or Trioxane tablets.   I also have a camp stove (little MSR Pocket Rocket) and a titanium cookset and steel Nalgene.    I have used this in the past to defrost stuff in a pinch.  

Good call on the matches. I have been in cold enough temps that the butane fired lighters would not gas off. I have not had good luck with the storm proof matches. I still rely on the old stand by strike anywhere in a water tight case. I tend to care several candles and in the vehicles a handful of 15 and 30 minute road flares. While they don't burn real hot, they can be used to warm fuel enough to get it to burn.

I once used a case of aerial flares trying to light gasoline/diesel mix on a slash pile. Temp was about -5F. The gasoline/diesel mix would not vaporize enough to flash off. I finally had to do it the old fashioned way.

 

Longeye posted:
concentric posted:

Sounds like the major bases have been covered here, hard to top a LF list.   One thing I always make sure to have on my person, in my stuff and in my vehicle in the winter is a reliable way to make fire.    In the winter, this usually involves a refillable butane lighter, a Bic or two, plus some stormproof matches and a couple of Esbit or Trioxane tablets.   I also have a camp stove (little MSR Pocket Rocket) and a titanium cookset and steel Nalgene.    I have used this in the past to defrost stuff in a pinch.  

Good call on the matches. I have been in cold enough temps that the butane fired lighters would not gas off. I have not had good luck with the storm proof matches. I still rely on the old stand by strike anywhere in a water tight case. I tend to care several candles and in the vehicles a handful of 15 and 30 minute road flares. While they don't burn real hot, they can be used to warm fuel enough to get it to burn.

I once used a case of aerial flares trying to light gasoline/diesel mix on a slash pile. Temp was about -5F. The gasoline/diesel mix would not vaporize enough to flash off. I finally had to do it the old fashioned way.

 

So in those conditions, a Zippo style lighter ain't going to work either?

Longeye posted:

 

 I have not had good luck with the storm proof matches. I still rely on the old stand by strike anywhere in a water tight case. I tend to care several candles and in the vehicles

 

I've never had the lifeboat matches fail me. When the igniter on my jetboil wouldn't function on the side of a mountain in a gale, I was able to get the fuel to light with them. YMMV

Good call on the candles. Even a tea light will raise the temperature in a vehicle cab or tent by a few degrees. Sometime that's just enough to help you survive.

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FourNinerZero posted:

Im about 8-10 hrs north of Longeye.  I keep two shovels, a snow shovel, tow straps, blankets, extra gloves, mitts, toques, et al in the truck. Year round. 

Mounted the spare on the upper cargo rack on my taco. Crawling under a truck in the snow/mud sucks. Do not like. 

A set of oversize insulated coveralls is a great idea. Warm, and keeps snow/slop/road grime off you. 

Hi lift jack and numerous wood blocks. 

Only ever run full synthetic, only use -60 C rated windshield washer fluid. 

Always plug in the ol block heater. 

A toolbox in the bed, with numerous axes, hatchets, saws, tarps, etc etc inside. 

Full trauma kit, a booboo kit, and LBT go bag survival kit. 

Yeah, I miss Edmonton......friends and colleagues....not the f****g weather!

Joined sometime in 2008.                  Live in Canada.        

Was looking at those portable battery packs to jump your car, does anyone know how well those things hold a charge in cold temps? Saw Amazon had one of the Beatit brand ones as a flash deal I missed out on. I figure they would be good to have around, unless they dont hold the charge as well during the cold months.

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So, I'm getting ready to bite on a cap for my Frontier. Since I have an extended cab with a real shitty interior design, I need to place a lot of stuff outside under the cap.

How do you divvy up what goes outside in the bed under the cap, and what stays inside the limited space behind the front seats? I'm thinking clothes, sleeping bag/blankets, water and maybe food inside. Everything else in some kind of locking tough box outside in the cold.

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

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shadow93 posted:

Was looking at those portable battery packs to jump your car, does anyone know how well those things hold a charge in cold temps? Saw Amazon had one of the Beatit brand ones as a flash deal I missed out on. I figure they would be good to have around, unless they dont hold the charge as well during the cold months.

How cold is cold ?

I have 900 amp Booster Pack that I have used but it has been below freezing but above zero.  It has worked well for me and I have jumped autos, a tractor and a Ford 7.3L PSD. 

If the PSD is stone dead on both batteries it won't do the job. But as a boost to a low battery(ies) it does.

On a 3 cylinder wheel tractor with a completely dead battery and alternator I have gotten 4+/- hours of work time without it running out of juice.

Additionally, if I make a long trip or head out into the desert it is with me.

Not sure if that answers your question, but some info for your use.

k

 

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Location: Northern Nevada

yakc130 posted:

How do you divvy up what goes outside in the bed under the cap, and what stays inside the limited space behind the front seats? I'm thinking clothes, sleeping bag/blankets, water and maybe food inside. Everything else in some kind of locking tough box outside in the cold.

Your on the right track. Think, what would you need that you wouldn't want to get out and rummage around in the cold and dark for, or if you can't get to the truck bed for some reason? When I had work box in my truck bed, I only put tools and redundant gear in it. 

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I have one of the new Chevy Colorados with a double cab and short bed.

I got a Leer cap for it. It does not create a watertight environment. There are too many gaps in the bed and between the bed and the cap door edges.

I solved the wet, too hot in summer, too cold in winter problem by purchasing the biggest Igloo cooler box I could find, and securing it to the bulkhead. I didn't put a lock on it, but you could.

I now have secure, waterproof storage that maintains a constant temperature all year round, which is good for fluids, MREs, batteries and lighters.

Regards.

Mark

Formerly known as ML

MWL posted:

...I solved the wet, too hot in summer, too cold in winter problem by purchasing the biggest Igloo cooler box I could find, and securing it to the bulkhead. I didn't put a lock on it, but you could.

I now have secure, waterproof storage that maintains a constant temperature all year round, which is good for fluids, MREs, batteries and lighters...

We used to do that with our water in the winter, put in the cooler with no ice, just to keep it from freezing.

I enjoy the cold, when properly layered with good gear. Some of the guys I worked with looked at me a bit strange because they thought I was only wearing a light jacket. and wondered how I stayed warmer they did.

but once your nostrils freeze shut when you breathe, that is getting a bit extreme.

 

Kahana posted:
shadow93 posted:

Was looking at those portable battery packs to jump your car, does anyone know how well those things hold a charge in cold temps? Saw Amazon had one of the Beatit brand ones as a flash deal I missed out on. I figure they would be good to have around, unless they dont hold the charge as well during the cold months.

How cold is cold ?

I have 900 amp Booster Pack that I have used but it has been below freezing but above zero.  It has worked well for me and I have jumped autos, a tractor and a Ford 7.3L PSD. 

If the PSD is stone dead on both batteries it won't do the job. But as a boost to a low battery(ies) it does.

On a 3 cylinder wheel tractor with a completely dead battery and alternator I have gotten 4+/- hours of work time without it running out of juice.

Additionally, if I make a long trip or head out into the desert it is with me.

Not sure if that answers your question, but some info for your use.

k

 

I'm in Illinois, so negatives during the day are not uncommon even before wind chill very less at night. What brand do you have? Or what brands are worth looking at. If it could hold a charge for 2+ mo with temps that dip to -15 I would be happy enough. I need to look at a new pair of regular jumper cables as well as the current pair I have are some cheap short things. 

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shadow93 posted:

Was looking at those portable battery packs to jump your car, does anyone know how well those things hold a charge in cold temps? Saw Amazon had one of the Beatit brand ones as a flash deal I missed out on. I figure they would be good to have around, unless they dont hold the charge as well during the cold months.

Shadow:

A lot of that might have to do with the battery tech inside the pack.   They make ones with AGM tech, but there are LI-Ion and LIPO models as well.    

Storing batteries in the cold will actually help them keep a charge, but the output will be less than when warm, leading to more risk over an overdraw situation in which you pull the battery down and potentially cause damage.   To get max effectiveness from your jump pack, just make sure it's charged and bring it up to a reasonable temp. before you use it.    If it's one of those micro jobs, taping a few handwarmers to it could work.

I think Shadow is talking about how long a jumper/booster will hold the charge while just sitting in the truck waiting to be used.  That right?

 

If so, it depends on what type of battery it has, but my experience with the $80-$100 versions was horrible.  Bad enough that I ditched it.  I had been Taking it on hunting trips, but by day 3 it was dead.

 

This was probably 10+ years ago.  I'd like to hear reports on newer versions and what type of storage tech they use.  It'd be nice to have one that I could rely on.

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Yes Pira is right. I'm talking about just leaving it in the vehicle how long it would hold. I keep hearing good and bad about them. They seem like a good small option to have in the vehicle, especially in the winter months. 

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Booster Pac  brand,  model ES2500.

I just checked it and it is sitting at 50% charge and been at least 2 months since I last charged it.

If I was looking at one, figure out the amps you think you will need and by a bigger one. For my truck I actually need a much bigger one as this will not start the truck when cold with two low or dead batteries. Look more at the cranking amps than the advertised peak amps.

I bought this one while on a trip and was having slow start issues in my Ford diesel PU. It was the biggest one they had. It did the job, but it is more the size for a passenger car.

As far as keeping it charged while on a trip it is fairly simple to adapt a cig lighter plug to keep it charged while driving.  Also, solar is an option.

k

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Location: Northern Nevada

Bought a Ranch brand cap for my truck. Now I need some kind of boxes for storage inside it. Most likely locking boxes, probably the size of a footlocker, I guess.

Any suggestions?

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

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Rubbermade Tough Boxes/Action Packers are nice,fairly inexpensive but durable and lockable.

https://www.uline.com/Product/...HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

If you have a local military  surplus store check them out.  I pick up rocket boxes (metal shipping/storage boxes for rockets/missiles) for under a benjamin for all kinds of storage needs.

Location: in SE Idaho, the birthplace of television. 

yakc130 posted:

Bought a Ranch brand cap for my truck. Now I need some kind of boxes for storage inside it. Most likely locking boxes, probably the size of a footlocker, I guess.

Any suggestions?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sta...ox-037025H/202300294

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sta...ox-029025R/203710098

These are the shit. We use them for dive classes. Load them up in the shop, roll them out to the trucks. They hold ridiculous amounts of weight. Stanley makes a whole line of different sizes, the ones above were just what I found on the HD web site.

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On the vehicle front, we lived at 7,200' for a while , where the temperature would freefall into -30F to -40F as sunrise approached. My most expensive learning lesson was to change to a 5W motor oil in the winter. I left 15W40 in an old Chevy Blazer and trashed the engine. 

Engine block heaters are the bomb.

Even when I'm driving around / near town, I dress for walking for help. I keep a pair of Goretex lined boots and an insulated Carhartt jacket with a knit hat and insulated elkhide gloves in the back seat of my Jeep.  Survival gear was simple - keep a full set of camping gear in your vehicle, including 0°F sleeping bags. 

I've never been stranded in my vehicle but I have woken up to impassible streets, snow drifts filling the doorway and a general inability to go anywhere for 2-3 days except on foot. The mountain town I lived in had one road that led to civilization. The locals had stories of the road being closed for a week at a time and stores (including fuel) not being restocked. The highway closed kinda regularly for a part of a day and if it happened on a Monday, the shelves at the single grocery store got a little thin of perishable goods until the highway opened. We didn't go "full prepper" but we kept bread in the freezer and a modest amount of boxed milk in the pantry. 

Joined: 1/14/08                   Location: Central Wyoming

After reading and re-reading this thread, it all boils down to planning ahead,  stocking enough to get by for awhile (whether it be for mobile or stationary use), and using your head---calmly. 

 

Laugh all you want, but how many of us keep a couple of rolls of ass-wipe (survival paper) in our rigs? 

Bill, Idaho posted:

Laugh all you want, but how many of us keep a couple of rolls of ass-wipe (survival paper) in our rigs? 

Anyone who has been to a third world country keeps one in their go bag. This stuff - https://www.amazon.com/Charmin...Tissue/dp/B004I50XMS - is the shit.

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Bill, Idaho posted:

After reading and re-reading this thread, it all boils down to planning ahead,  stocking enough to get by for awhile (whether it be for mobile or stationary use), and using your head---calmly. 

 

Laugh all you want, but how many of us keep a couple of rolls of ass-wipe (survival paper) in our rigs? 

After reading this I'm glad I live in the sub-tropics.

Mind you, -20C would clear out some of the more nasty low life.

Malpaso posted:
Bill, Idaho posted:

Laugh all you want, but how many of us keep a couple of rolls of ass-wipe (survival paper) in our rigs? 

Anyone who has been to a third world country keeps one in their go bag. This stuff - https://www.amazon.com/Charmin...Tissue/dp/B004I50XMS - is the shit.

Bought up a lot of that type of package sold at stores in the Philippines.

I will check into the boxes. i knew they were out there. I just couldn't remember who made the quality ones.

 

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

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M. Wilson posted:

I have a kid in diapers so I have to have baby wipes, love me the unscented Huggies.

All my trucks have two packs of baby wipes and two rolls of TP.  Always.

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Make sure you keep the poop tickets  in a heavy "doodie" freezer bag. otherwise you may find it turned into expensive confetti  by said youngster when most needed.

Location: in SE Idaho, the birthplace of television. 

Bill, Idaho posted:

Laugh all you want, but how many of us keep a couple of rolls of ass-wipe (survival paper) in our rigs? 

Full roll, squeezed flat, and sealed in a  1 gallon freezer ziplock bag.  

Working out in the middle of no where, many times the nearest mesquite bush  was useful.   and if you could find a porta- shitter that was nearby it was likely raided for the paper from the guys who at one time had to use a there shirt tails as a substitute. 

 

Do yourselves a favour, and put your heavy duty zipplocked toilet roll into a second heavy duty ziplock bag with the opening 180 degrees from the first. Ziplock bags are not infallible.

There is nothing worse than discovering that you are the proud owner of a ziplocked bag containing a 1lb  papier mache model of a bogroll.

Regards.

Mark

Formerly known as ML

You beat me to that one.

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

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Let me thank you for all the tips.  Keep'em coming. 

Sometimes winter storms are rain events.  We visited the Los Angeles Basin for the turkey fest and I-5 was horrifying.  I saw at least 30 accidents between the Bay Area and LA.  Lessons learned - SLOW DOWN!!

Toilet paper can also be stored in a coffee canister. I bought one at "Bed, Bath & Beyond".

We have managed to reduce our hotel load to one suitcase and a toiletry bag each for a week.  The wheelchair takes up a lot of room.  Add Class VIII, Line 3 and a cooler and he sedan is packed tight. The F150 has a lot more room even when used logpac.   

I try to keep the loads less than 50 pounds per box as I usually travel solo or as caretaker.  Duffel bags work well as they can be stuffed into a corner protect a box like an Action Packer size box.  And labels for everything. 

 

 

 

 

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Sincerely,

 

Trajan Aurelius

 

 

When violence is the local language, be fluent.

 

“Governments may think and say as they like, but force cannot be eliminated, and it is the only real and unanswerable power. We are told that the pen is mightier than the sword, but I know which of these weapons I would choose.“   Lt. General Paul Carton de Wiart, British Army

 

So we have the sub-zero temps today finally. The area south of me, and on the east side in the snow belt area got nailed pretty good.  Right now, it's 15 outside, with a windchill of -7 or so. The news is harping big on the road conditions and snow removal. Also had a guy found on a porch this morning who froze to death somehow. He was laying on a couch on the porch of a house in da hood.

My day consisted of feeding the birds and animals out back, cleaning out the wood box, and filling it back up again. Now, trying to figure out what to get the wife for Christmas online, and  re-reading this. The new cap is on and is awesome! Got one of these to put stuff in:  https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-...led-Tool-Box/3355634.

Coleman's Surplus seems to have a decent selection of stuff. 6-pack of the orange marker panels, a variety of Swedish med bags, and an Esbit stove 4-pack ($10).

This is fun.

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

JOINED:  9/20/09     LOCATION:  Outside of KSA Finally!

The German Army has had extensive experience on the Russian steppes.   Their experiences are worth studying here.  Many of the lessons learned are familiar to the reader here.  40 pounds has consistently been the practical limit for carrying loads in the field.  Dress in layers.  Initiative carries the day.  Everything takes twice as long and sometimes you don't need to go there.

 

 

 

 

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Sincerely,

 

Trajan Aurelius

 

 

When violence is the local language, be fluent.

 

“Governments may think and say as they like, but force cannot be eliminated, and it is the only real and unanswerable power. We are told that the pen is mightier than the sword, but I know which of these weapons I would choose.“   Lt. General Paul Carton de Wiart, British Army

 

Going to be down to 20 below tomorrow night with the wind chill.   Temp sinking pretty fast right now.  At least Hartford will be quiet.  Crime doesn't like the cold.

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Consigliere posted:

Going to be down to 20 below tomorrow night with the wind chill.   Temp sinking pretty fast right now.  At least Hartford will be quiet.  Crime doesn't like the cold.

With the Counselors post and quoting YAKC130

"So we have the sub-zero temps today finally. The area south of me, and on the east side in the snow belt area got nailed pretty good.  Right now, it's 15 outside, with a windchill of -7 or so. "

"So we have the sub-zero temps today finally. The area south of me, and on the east side in the snow belt area got nailed pretty good.  Right now, it's 15 outside, with a windchill of -7 or so. The news is harping big on the road conditions and snow removal. Also had a guy found on a porch this morning who froze to death somehow. He was laying on a couch on the porch of a house in da hood"

We are expecting "Sever Winter Conditions" here in Northern NV.

Sure seems like this "Global Warming" is pretty damn cold.

 

k

Joined: 7/15/04 8:49 AM
Location: Northern Nevada

Trajan Aurelius posted:

The German Army has had extensive experience on the Russian steppes.   Their experiences are worth studying here.  Many of the lessons learned are familiar to the reader here.  40 pounds has consistently been the practical limit for carrying loads in the field.  Dress in layers.  Initiative carries the day.  Everything takes twice as long and sometimes you do need to go there.

Tucked away for a 'best out of 5' match?

One of the local news channels just had a report about the local animal wardens and the Animal Protective League going out and confiscating animals left outside on leashes in these conditions.

I'd most likely rather be with these poor animals than their owners.

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

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