I'm still trying to get everything situated in the new truck for winter. Debating on if I need to buy sand tubes or not. Really want to get a tri-fold tonneau cover put on and figure out some underseat storage for my SuperCrew seat but I don't think I'm going to have that before we start getting snow. Its already started getting stupid cold and windy here. And to think it was 60 here last weekend. 

Packed up my old RAID pack with my Jetboil stove and a fresh canister of fuel, boo boo kit and some food, and threw it in my Subaru as a get home bag. I have a 30 mile commute to work each way. I also have my old black MSS sleeping bag with the bivy cover, an old black issued fleece jacket, hat, gloves, and Salomon hiking boots, in there. I'm still trying to figure out water. I usually carry a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen to work everyday, but I go through that fast, and I don't trust the water where I work to refill it there. I may have to do a test to see of frozen water will rupture the Kleen Kanteen if I leave one in the car.

Only 30 miles round trip for work here. Always have my # DAP loaded with some necessities but there is nothing really remote enough on the drive that I couldn't seek help if absolutely needed.  The longest stretch without houses or some business is about a mile.  Between my pack and what's in my truck, I'm GTG for my daily routine.  Different story were I to venture West into the Sierras.

 Normal way to work is 7 Km, with one ramped bridge which might get tricky from frozen rain or compressed snow.

Last Sunday I had the first snow slush on the windshield overnight, so Winter is coming...

Preparations:

Snow tires put on car     ->OK

 Coolant checked for content of Antifreeze   ->OK 

Wiper fluid tank filled with antifreeze mixture +extra bottle antifreeze concentrate   ->OK 

Car washed and waxed   ->OK 

Door and window seals treated with sillikone (and vaseline at spots where you don´t get it likely on chlothing) also antifreeze oil in lock openings and keyholes.     ->OK 

Driving down the tanklevel near reserve to fill up with ARAL Ultimate (aprox. 10¢ more per liter) Diesel (CFPP test to -39 Grad Celsius)        ->in process

 put in fresh  bic ligthers and matches in firekits and car compartments     ->OK 

put more max. tea light candeles, fatwood and other firestarter  in car         ->OK     

put more icesraper, snowbrooms and a snowshovel in car.       ->OK 

double plastic bag rolls of kitchen paper to stay dry     ->OK 

Put window de icer fluid in car       ->OK  

Woolblanket, one more tarp and some pair of winter workgloves in car.   ->OK 

small cooler with ¾ filled sturdy plasic waterbottels stored horizontally (freezing water so can expand best) and assorted bars candy and schokolade.       ->OK 

one multiplex wood plate 40x40 cm (to knee at while working on Car, as snowplate for carjack or to sit on snow  or as fire platform)       ->OK

small bags of birdcage sand and salt       ->OK 

Packing duffel (for overland travel in Winter)    with:

 Spare warm chlothing, one big old aluminium pot aprox 1 gallon? for melting snow. (Also handy for moving snow if here are more persons than shovels.)  Sleepingbag, foam mattress and tent    -> packed.

Cookset      -> packed

Swedish bowsaw 30# + axe  ->need new blade and axe not proper sharpened   -> to do

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I took all my old clothes out of my kits and replaced with new. While it costs, I decided that if I have to rely on clothes that I'm going to toss, they won't work for survival. Why use something I won't wear daily?

In the winter I carry a medium-sized cooler with some bottled water in it. I open it whilst (I love using that word)  I am driving, and close it over night. They have never froze overnight even when it gets down to -20.  If I am not going to be driving for more than a day, I take the cooler inside with me.  The cooler keeps the cold out just as well as it keeps the cold in.  

Unrelated to driving:  In two rooms of my house that don't get used, last summer I got some 2x4"s and made a frame about 1/2" smaller than the windows in those two rooms. I put some 1/8" siding with insulation between the two sides-essentially building the same wall the windows are in.  I then put that foam-tape stuff around the edge and placed them up against the actual windows on the ledge. (If that makes sense). I left the drapes up so you can't see what's behind it, and I noticed from the outside it just looks dark-like the lights aren't on in that room.   I have noticed my heating bill is not near as high. And, I admit boys and girls, this would therefore show my windows need replaced, but at this point- I don't need imitations of my wife bitching at me.  My house is only 30 years old, the windows are double-wall, and pass the no-draft test with a candle.  I just figured insulation about 4" thick HAS to do better than a window-no matter how fancy/new it is.

 Back to vehicles.   I covered half of the grill on my Dodge 2500 (Cummins).  I tried different levels/amounts  of covering the opening in the grill, and it seems covering half is the optimum amount to help speed up the time it takes to get the engine up to normal temp, and not risk overheating due to covering TOO much. Just an observation.  

yakc130 posted:

I've been thinking about getting a short-handled broom to sweep my truck off with in addition to the small ice scraper brushes I have.

Whisk brooms cost ~$3 and are widely available.  You may want to consider a small broom depending on how much snow you get and what kind of vehicle you drive.  A pickup drive is kind of hard to sweep clean with a whisk.   Check the local auto parts store in your area for a combination ice scraper and window whisk.  

I also add a pint of isopropyl alcohol and a tablespoon of Dawn Dish Washing Detergent to my windshield washer reservoir to keep it from freezing.  It also strips the road crud off the window and slings ice off the window.

shadow93 posted:

I'm still trying to get everything situated in the new truck for winter.

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figure out some underseat storage for my SuperCrew seat

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Du-Ha and Husky both make under the seat storage boxes for an F-series.

Available here https://www.realtruck <DOT> com/consoles-and-organizers/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=consolesorganizers

DU-HA Under Seat Storage

 

 

 

 

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Trajan, I'm somewhere in-between the Du-Ha, building my own, and a Tuffy Lock Box. The Du-Ha is the easiest, building would be cheapest, but the Tuffy...Its just badass. 

I also added a roll up blanket and a packable down blanket into the back of the truck along with a full change of clothes, which includes a extra hoodie/jeans/undies/socks/tshirt, and an extra jacket. My drive to work is 6 miles each way through town so I'm not worried about anything too serious. It does however offer a compliment in the super rare occasion this part of the state would get enough snow I'd have to stay at the PD for the night or if I go home and something happens that gets me wet, or just to build layers.

Trajan, I've heard of you using that windshield washer solution before and its definitely something I need to try. However, I'm sure the dealership filled up the reservoir with summer stuff before I bought it.

Vinegar makes a great window cleaner for all of the crud kicked up from the road.

I may just buy a  regular corn broom and cut the handle down.

On a tangent, while tearing apart the bathroom in the house we bought, I found  that thee is NO insulation along the outside wall of the bathroom.

No wonder they are so cold in the winter.

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Re: small pickup truck in-cab storage, I recently skinned that cat and came up with one of these (at a slightly better price than linked) for the rear floorboard. Sits behind the driver's seat and center console, provides a nice platform for setting bullshit on top of (my briefcase/everyday bag goes back there on the way to work), and contains pretty much everything that has been mentioned in this thread. I can even reach into it from the driver's seat if need be, like an enormously oversized console. Only downside is that it does require the rear seat to be folded -- but the box is waterproof, so I can just throw it in the bed for the 1 time in 10,000 that I'm transporting more than 2 passengers and know that no matter the weather it'll all be fine. Any similar waterproof/water resistant box (depending on your level of givadamn) would do nicely. Or a medium-sized cooler (though many of them are of dubious rainproofness).

For those who aren't going to click through an ebay link, I use a pelican spacecase about 15" wide by 30" long. Relevant traits are waterproofness and ability to fit behind the seat of a Nissan Frontier (extended cab).

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Malpaso posted:
Trajan Aurelius posted:

Du-Ha and Husky both make under the seat storage boxes for an F-series.

Tough to utilize when it's full of long guns 

I trust you are speaking from experience.

Trajan Aurelius posted:
Malpaso posted:
Trajan Aurelius posted:

Du-Ha and Husky both make under the seat storage boxes for an F-series.

Tough to utilize when it's full of long guns 

I trust you are speaking from experience.

@Shadow93:

"Trajan, I've heard of you using that windshield washer solution before and its definitely something I need to try. However, I'm sure the dealership filled up the reservoir with summer stuff before I bought it."

That summer stuff freezes at about 28-32*F.  I'm fair sure it gets a bit nippy in your neighborhood.

 

Ground Pounder posted:

 I may have to do a test to see of frozen water will rupture the Kleen Kanteen if I leave one in the car.

I'm pretty sure that Kleen Kanteen explicitly warns against freezing their containers.  I think I saw that while reading up on washing/disinfecting instructions.

Pat_E posted:
Ground Pounder posted:

 I may have to do a test to see of frozen water will rupture the Kleen Kanteen if I leave one in the car.

I'm pretty sure that Kleen Kanteen explicitly warns against freezing their containers.  I think I saw that while reading up on washing/disinfecting instructions.

From their FAQ page -

Freezing your Klean Kanteen voids Klean's Strong as Steel™ guarantee because the expansion of the water can put so much force on the steel that it causes it to bulge or even split at the weld. Sometimes nothing at all happens. It depends on whether the cap was on and how much liquid was in the Kanteen.

I've fucked up a few water bottle from them rolling under the seat during freezing weather. Kleen Kanteen and Liberty bottles seem to be the most susceptible to bulging or rupturing from freezing water. 

 

Thanks for the info on the Kleen Kanteens. I was warming my car up this morning and realized I left my bottle in overnight in 20 degree temps. Luckily I only had about 1/4 full of water, so no damage. I'll have to figure out another solution. I guess I could just fill up my bottle at work at the end of the day, but the fact we had the water in our building tested multiple times this year doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy.

I just keep bottled water from the store in the truck.  The dimples in the bottom of the plastic bottles are there for them to expand when frozen, to prevent rupture.  I keep them in a plastic tub, just in case though.  I fill up my nalgene or steel bottles from these as needed.  I always have some kind of pot or canteen cup to heat water.

Kleen  Kanteens also make insulated water bottles, which is what I use up here in Canada. They keep water from freezing in your truck at -30C.

Stings like a bitch when you sip from it at that temp, but hey, at least it’s still flowing!

Thanks for the link to the cooler Malpaso. That looks like a good solution to fit behind the drivers seat in my Subaru. My space gets tight with the kid and my GSD in the back, along with all my other gear I'm hauling.

When you prep your vehicle, think about rescuing someone else in addition to being stranded your self.

Case in point. Couple hours ago, the g/f's cousin calls, she has run out of gas (who does that?) on the interstate about a half hour from us. No problem, I've got multiple cans of gas in the garage. We get there, and it's pitch fucking dark with cars whizzing by at 70. While I position the truck with the headlights on the filler port, I realize what I don't have it my reflective coat, which I took out and replaced with my ECWCS suit (black). Dumbass.

How much weight do people add to the bed of their truck in winter? Was going to buy about 200lbs of tube sand but I don't have anywhere to put it come summer right now either. Is 200 enough or should I go up to about 400?

How big is your pickup?  I have a long box 2WD Dodge 2500 3/4 ton (2003) with a Cummins. Did I mention 2WD!   If there was one flake of snow within two counties, I was pretty well screwed.  I put four 20mm ammo cans full of 9mm brass (each of which max's out my artificial shoulder's allowable weight limits by a far piece...) in the bed and it damn-near turned it into a 4WD!  And I should say all I have is plain ol-fashioned  street tread tires.  In last years Treasure Valley's snowmageddanm , I had to chain up only once or twice.  Without the added weight....I would have been dead in the water.

  I would guess each can weighs somewhere are 200 pounds.   So, in my rig, about 800 pounds does the trick.  However, if you have a smaller pickup, more than likely 400 would work.  I was also told if you do put weight in the bed, it needs to go towards the front of the bed.  I left mine right near the tailgate for two reasons:  1.) that's as far as I could push them, and 2.) I figure the Cummins puts plenty of weight on the front end by itself!

NO MATTER HOW MUCH BALLAST YOU ADD, OPERATOR HEADSPACE NEEDS CONSTANT MONITORING.

 

yakc130 posted:

I have six tubes, so that's what, 360 lbs?

I just stand it on end in the garage during the summer.

I've got a 1/2t Sierra and I'm rocking 6 tubes also.  We haven't had much snow this year in the Minneapolis area (yet) but I haven't had to put it in 4x4 yet.  A new set of Goodyear Duratracs also helps though.

Malpaso posted:

I have an F150 4x4. I've never had to add weight, although I do not shovel the snow out of it, generally letting it melt to coincide with elapsed time from the storm.

I put a camper shell on mine.  That lively back end that danced around under power settled right down and helps in all road and off road conditions.

And I have spent the night there a couple times.

I wrecked my collapsible shovel this summer while I was out gold panning. I'm glad I never had to dig myself out with it. I replaced it with a Cold Steel shovel. This thing is bomb-proof... and you can easily sharpen the edge. It's riding in a plastic bucket full of goodies in the back of my Jeep Cherokee.

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