I'm looking for input for wrist mounted GPS's, specifically, I don't know what I don't know.

One of our missions are wilderness hoists, with the potential of having to hike in to the patient from my insertion point.  I understand the newer Garmin Fenix 5 Plus's have legit topo maps on them, but are there other options?

Things I'm looking for:

1) ability to pull GPS or Lat/Long Coordinates

2) "breadcrumbs" for when we have to hike it

3) legit topo or similar maps where, should I be doing cop stuff and find myself lost in the woods I could pull up a map and see where I am

I've started carrying a compass to be able to shoot a back azmith as needed but there is always the "jumped out and ran chasing someone" aspect

Thanks in advance!

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Is your patrol area largely rural? 

 

 

 

 

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Trajan Aurelius posted:

Is your patrol area largely rural? 

The areas we hoist out of are very rural, figure mountain terrain or in some cases very large state parks.  We've had issues getting coordinates from the requesting agencies, so if we were to hike in somewhere I'd prefer to be the one giving the data to my pilots.

I'm a commuter trooper. driving across 5 counties to get to my duty station, so I'm not familiar with most of the side roads off of the main routes of travel.  While I usually always have my phone with me the idea of a legit GPS with decent maps like google maps or something similar on my wrist for a track or something is really appealing,

Check with the Search And Rescue office .  There are standards and MOU's between the various Sheriffs departments, state office of emergency services, etc.  SAR guys want to use 12 digit GPS coordinates.  Aviators want lat / long.  A 9-line medevac typo order should work for them.

 

A cardinal direction should work fine, e,g, "subject is running northwest from my position."

 

 

 

 

 

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Sincerely,

 

Trajan Aurelius

 

 

When violence is the local language, be fluent.

 

"He who is not angry, whereas he has cause to be, sins.  For unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices, it fosters negligence, and incites not only the wicked but even the good to do wrong."  Saint Thomas Aquinas, "Summa Theologiae/Second Part of the Second Part/Question 158", c. 1274

And Garmin epix if you can find one.   

 

 

 

 

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Sincerely,

 

Trajan Aurelius

 

 

When violence is the local language, be fluent.

 

"He who is not angry, whereas he has cause to be, sins.  For unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices, it fosters negligence, and incites not only the wicked but even the good to do wrong."  Saint Thomas Aquinas, "Summa Theologiae/Second Part of the Second Part/Question 158", c. 1274

I've had talks with another LF'er who does some rural LE work and we discussed the same types of scenarios before. I think a decent wrist compass (I use a suunto M9 more than anything else) is essential for anyone who may have to bail out of a car and run off into the woods. Just knowing that there is a road if you walk directly north (or whatever direction you generally came from) is very useful info. 

I tend to believe that the watch you always have with you will be the most useful. I wear a Garmin Fenix 5 Plus everyday and have the ability to grab a grid or use a map. I can also save a location and navigate back to it quite easily. While I do have other GPS options, I'm not sure that any of them would be as useful, unless you have a bag or somewhere to stow it. The best GPS sitting in your car is going to be worthless after you chased someone into the woods. 

I second wearing a Garmin Fenix watch.  I have had the Fenix 3 for several years and not most of my team has one version or another.  One of the biggest things of value for us is the livetrack feature when you link it to your phone (assuming you have service).  While doing woods ops, we can all turn on livetrack and let command know where we area at in real time.

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I'll fourth a Garmin Fenix 5. I have the 5X Plus (I'd go with a Tactix C or the 5X without the heart rate). As echoed by others, if you're not wearing it and its sitting in a bag it doesn't do you any good. A watch based is nice because it serves other functions but has the ability to get grid, azimuth (+/- a degree of accuracy but would work for your purpose. You can load more detailed topo maps of your area on to the watch as well. 

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Trajan Aurelius posted:

SAR guys want to use 12 digit GPS coordinates.  Aviators want lat / long.  

You probably already knew this, but hand held units can be programmed to display both UTMs and Lat/Long on the same screen, without the need to toggle between different settings.

One thing I'd like to see is a decent wrist mount for existing hand held units, like the Oregon 600 series.  Something that can be put on and taken off with relative ease, but still have the same suite of functions and capabilities that we see in hand held.  Is there anything like that out there?

I've been eye balling the fenix 5 plus for awhile now. I guess this thread just helped me make the decision. At the risk of a slight thread drift, is there any classes on how to read the Lat/long on a civilian map? I can read MGRS all day long, trying to translate it to Lat/long and how a protractor works has errored my brain out. 

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The easiest way to get up to speed with Lat/Long is to visit your local airport. There is probably a lonely pilot or flight instructor that will give you a free class. A bonus is that the maps used for aviation get thrown away frequently and you can probably grab some of the local area aviation maps quite easily. You can do the same with boat guys if you live near water where there are professional boats, but navigation is a skill every pilot will have while most boat people are morons.  

gruntpain1775 posted:

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 I can read MGRS all day long, trying to translate it to Lat/long and how a protractor works has errored my brain out. 

If you look at the margins of many maps, and all USG maps, you will find the lat/long, usually in a very small font and often in blue.  When I was using military maps, I would highlight the lat/long lines and label them.  

Here's one solution: https://svn.osgeo >DOT> org/gdal/trunk/gdal/frmts/nitf/mgrs.c   (This is actual computer code) 

and another: http://www.mediafire.com/file/...rsconverter.exe/file  (A simple application and executable code)

found here: https://freegeographytools <DOT> com/2008/spreadsheet-tools-for-latlong-mgrs-and-utm-coordinate-conversions

Then here's this - https://gis.stackexchange <DOT> com/questions/15373/how-to-convert-mgrs-to-lat-long-or-utm and something called Molodenskiy Transformation Constants  at  https://earth-info.nga <DOT> mil/GandG/publications/tm8358.1/tr83581b.html#ZZ26 

Also: http://legallandconverter.com/p50.html

I am looking for a manual conversion formula, pencil on paper, but I never found one when I was on active duty.  

In practice, you'll have to plot the coordinate in one grid reference system, MRGS, and then lat/long.  It's "close enough".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sincerely,

 

Trajan Aurelius

 

 

When violence is the local language, be fluent.

 

"He who is not angry, whereas he has cause to be, sins.  For unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices, it fosters negligence, and incites not only the wicked but even the good to do wrong."  Saint Thomas Aquinas, "Summa Theologiae/Second Part of the Second Part/Question 158", c. 1274

Pat_E posted:

One thing I'd like to see is a decent wrist mount for existing hand held units, like the Oregon 600 series.  Something that can be put on and taken off with relative ease, but still have the same suite of functions and capabilities that we see in hand held.  Is there anything like that out there?

It seems it would be easy enough attached a Ram mount to a sleeve type set-up of your choice. $15 for the Ram, $5 for a sleeve, so not too much invested if it does not work. If the sleeves seem too light duty, the perhaps modify a forearm brace?

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I've been watching this pretty closely and i'm at the point of being ready to make a purchase but can't decide between the Garmin Tactix Charlie or the Fenix 5X.   Any ideas on which is the best bang for the buck for general LE/Mil, active lifestyle use?  

LOCATION: El Paso

Has anyone considered the Garmin Instinct? It supports Livetrack. It's been in my Amazon cart for a week as an upgrade from a Vivoactive HR I bought last year. It has a simple monochrome screen, navigates with buttons vs touchscreen, and has a retro G-Shock look. Its battery life is one of Garmin's best. It's selling for $265 at the moment, almost 1/2-1/3 of some Fenix models (which seem awesome).

The only box mentioned I don't see it checking is topo maps. It will plot and do breadcrumbs, but you don't get a map on the watch, just the course. I understand why that could be a deal breaker though. 

...and this thread just convinced me to give it a whirl. Bought.

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I just received a Garmin Instinct Tactical for my Anniversary.  I don't know if it supports topo maps - given that I carry a hard copy topo map (with compass and protractor), I don't need a tiny one on my wrist ;-).  That said, it gives me MGRS and Lat Long on the same screen.  It tracks me (bread crumbs, etc.).  It lets me load way points.  It wears like a regular watch.  Basically, it does more or less everything my Foretrex did/does that actually matters to me.  As a nice bonus, it tracks Zulu time (because certain folks like to work off that).  I used it alongside my TAK EUD for Land Nav and the GPS fix was as good, or better. 

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Post Car posted:

Brining this thread back..... for anyone running a Fenix watch, is the sapphire upgrade worth the extra hundred dollars?

YES.  Been wearing mine daily for two and a half years now, and although the finish is wearing away on parts of the bezel, the sapphire is still flawless.  Well worth it.

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Post Car posted:

Brining this thread back..... for anyone running a Fenix watch, is the sapphire upgrade worth the extra hundred dollars?

I've had the 6 sapphire for about 2 weeks now and enjoy it. It's the first fenix I've owned so I can't speak about if it's worth the upgrade. It works well for what I have been doing lately, but when I get into some serious hiking I think I will use it as a supplement to a handheld. 

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