Zenith Z5RS (MKE made MP5) SBR review (Updated yet again)

Like every red blooded American, ever since I saw my first MP5 on the screen I wanted one. For me it was Die Hard, seeing that closed bolt German goodness in action gave me a raging freedom boner. And that HK slap? It's like the Judo Chop of guns. 

A few years ago I finally got my hands on a few. A buddy is an SOT with impeccable taste in everything gun related, and I got to shoot pretty much every MP5 variant- MP5K-PDW, MP5-SD, MP5/10 (to this day the only 10mm I've ever fired), and even the epically awesome (and useless) suitcase. And they all lived up to the hype. Accurate and extremely controllable, they make 9mm feel like a .22. They're so much fun to shoot that you lose track of time and before you know it you're out of ammo and you have a stupid grin on your face for hours. 

I had to have one.

Problem was real pre ban HK's cost more than a kidney. And the American clones had shitty reps. So it was pretty much just a pipe dream for years. 

Then I started hearing about Turkish made MP5K pistols being imported that were well made and reliable. But I wanted a full size, so I held out and not much longer even the K's were sold out and no longer imported. Then only a few years ago POF from Pakistan started importing full size MP5 pistols. They were a little rough on the outside, but supposedly well built and not too pricey. I wasn't too happy about giving money to the Pakistan Gov (who own POF), but fuck it- it's a goddamn MP5 and I have needs. 

Luckily as I was figuring out the logistics, Zenith started importing Turkish MKE guns again, including full size MP5's like John McClain commanded. The reviews were across the board positive, with a much better finish than the POF guns and stellar reliability. Also Zenith had a rep for making things right if there was an issue. So that settled it, I was getting one. 

I bought one on Gunbroker from a big distributor on the East Coast, and this is what I got when it showed up:

They also come with a hard case, 3 30 round mags, a removable picatinny rail, military style cleaning kit with extra pins, and a black HK style 3 point sling that might as well be the Kobayashi Maru trying to figure it out. 

I test fired the living shit out of it, and it ran 100% through about 300 rounds so I sent my Form 1 off to the ATF. It was my first post 41F, but I still did it on my Trust because that's what I was used to. Turns out 1) Trusts now take almost twice as long as Forms filed Individually and 2) In my haste and excitement I fucked up and forgot to list who my CLEO info and sign the back. So what I thought would be a 7-8 month wait like my previous Form 1 & 4's took 13 fucking months. But it was still worth it, because look at this shit:

STOCKS: 

There's basically two options: A2 fixed and A3 collapsing. 

A2's are cheaper, more comfortable to shoot and lighter. I ended up finding a new HK made one for a good price ($120 IIRC), but POF made versions are pretty common and way cheaper ($48) and are supposedly pretty good. The HK A2 fits super tight and requires a small amount of force to get on, but otherwise I really like it. 

But A3's allow it collapse to "fun size" and are sexy as fuck. And are still easy to shoot with. HK made A3's are expensive. Like even for something HK made they're stupid expensive- the F versions (current) go for usually around $400 new and the older models are goiving for even more as they become harder to find (beat up ones cost about $275). Luckily ATI F Stocks from HK parts are extremely well made and were only $130 at the time. Since I bought mine they've gone up to $200. They also offer a 4 position (vs the standard 2 position), but word on the street is those are kind of a pain in the ass. Gunparts / Numrich now has new HK F Stocks for a little over $300, so that's a solid option if you're in the market.

TRIGGER GROUP:

One of the biggest complaints most have of MP5's (aside from the price) is the controls. The mag release and bolt handle are great- but the selector on the older style SEF lowers? Seriously no bueno. Luckily HK a few years ago came out with an Ambidextrous lower than has better selector levers, and on the left side allows for the even better Extended Side Selector Lever (ESSL ). Thing is you can't install the ESSL on the older SEF style lowers, and of course that's what you MKE shows up with. So I ended up getting this:

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...mi-Only-89p17238.htm

It's a mix of HK and US made parts which makes it slightly cheaper. Of course when I say "cheaper", it's still $390. I still thought it was worth it as the ergonomics are significantly better, plus it comes with a US made trigger box that adds to the 922r count. But when I tried to install it, the large pin in the rear wouldn't go in. Took me awhile to figure out the issue, but then I discovered  the metal front of the trigger housing was pressing against the mag well (the HK is on the left, the MKE is on the right. You can see the scratches on the lower part of the HK).

It looks like the welds on the back of the mag well are slightly took big for the HK housing, so I had a buddy remove a bit of the metal, and now it fits perfect>

I ended up replacing the trigger, sear, and hammer with US made parts and sent it out to Bill Springfield to do a trigger job. The standard trigger isn't bad but a little mushy, the trigger job he did is a huge improvement and well worth the $69 it costs. And the turn around was only a few days. 

FORENDS:

Another 922r replacement was the forend. It comes with an old school "let's storm the Iranian Embassy" slim forend that isn't very comfy and kinda awkward, so I found an old used Surefire forend. Since pretty much every PD that had an MP5 at any point had these, they're plentiful and fairly inexpensive (for a Surefire / HK part). They also put out 65 blinding lumens. Honestly it works better than it sounds, but I ordered a Malkoff M61 for $40 that ups it to a more reasonable 325 lumens or so. 

I also got a US made standard tropical handguard, $20 used on another board. With the A2 stock it's extremely handy and lightweight.

MAGAZINES:

Mags for the MP5 are a mixed bag- there's a lot of different manufacturers  out there and most work well, but they're usually very pricey. New HK mags generally run about $65 a pop. Since I started working on this project before the election I decided to stock up, and since then a few other options became available so I ended up with a pretty big cross section of mags from various sources- current HK, old pre ban HK's, MKE, POF, and 2 different generation Korean mags. Luckily, they all work 100%, but I did have to replace the spring of one the older Korean (parked finish) with an OEM HK (which isn't a big deal as the mags were $15 a pop). If you're in the market, the best deal on mags currently are POF, they run about $30. 

Here's a shitty cell phone pic of the markings- from left to right current HK, pre ban HK, older Korean, new "4th Gen" Korean, MKE, and POF

One of the interesting HK accessories is the dual mag clamp. It makes reloads much faster, plus it's a great way of having a reload on the weapon. It still balances well too. As a bonus, they fit easily in dual mag M4 pouches too. Of course they're kinda pricey, but if you look around you can find them used in great shape for $50-60.

CASES:

I found a cheap Uncle Mike's SMG case made for MP5A3's and it works great. Decent padding, carries 6 spare mags, and with stock collapsed fits easily with a mag inserted. It also has a small pouch I use for my ATF paperwork, sight adjustment tool, and spare extractor springs.

I also had bought an Eagle case designed for fixed stock MP5A2's. It fits well, has great padding, carries 3 spare mags, and has a huge pouch for extras.

SHOOTING IMPRESSIONS:

It shoots like Peter North over a pair of thirsty brunettes. Did you really expect anything less?

Zeroing is a minor PITA because it requires a special tool and there's no "clicks" for windage, so it's not the most precise process. And elevation is something that requires a YouTube video first. Speaking of which, here's the video:

Luckily, after I got it zeroed (a broken clock is right twice a day), it ran like a raped ape on meth and pre workout. I could quickly face shoot a target at 10 yards using double, triple, and even quadruple taps as fast as I could pull the trigger. Which with that trigger job is pretty fucking fast. At 20 yards (the furthest my indoor range is) it shot tiny groups. I ended up dumping 360 or so rounds of 115 and 124 gr Geco / S&B without issue. The only hang up I had was a FTF of the last round in the mag of 50 147gr HST's I shot. I was using a new HK mag, so I don't know what the issue was. Anyone know of a decent JHP that feeds well in MP5's? 

CONCLUSION:

I learned a lot over the past 13 months working on this project. I used the HKpro a lot for research, which was mildly problematic as it has a lot more in common with ARFCOM than M4C when it comes to forums. Despite the platform being older, common, and popular there didn't seem to be a lot of info out there on it, but maybe I'm spoiled by the AR platform. 

Anyway, I fucking love my Z5RS SBR. It's practical as a shooter since it's 9mm- I can shoot it at every range, plus it's insanely fun. And sweet Jesus it's sexy as all get out. Speaking of which, here's some pics of it with the Die Hard kids Christmas and Coloring Book. Yes, they're real and you can get them on Amazon.

Semi Die Hard clone (F stock be damned)

I'm sure I've left out a lot, so let me know if you have any questions. 

 

 Edited.  The little icons in the border above the text box is your friend.  Dorsai

 

PRAISE THE FALLEN

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I have no questions, just have to say that I have a massive erection right now. I'll be sending you the bill for my hospital visit if this lasts more than 4 hours...

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Well, that's just sexy as hell.  I'm sure newer guns shoot better than our old, beat up hunks of shit, but I'd still like to have one (even though I have no use for one whatsoever).  

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Joined: 12-2005          Location: Central OK

Now I've got to spend more money.  For me, I first fell in love with the MP5 when the SAS shot the piss out of some Iranians at Princes' Gate.  Then it was "The Final Option".  Ditto on the rest.

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Thank you very fucking much, Sir.  I now must have an exact copy of your project, complete with spare F stock and SF forend.  There goes my Christmas budget.   I have successfully avoided infatuation with HK variants for two decades, and in one foul swoop it's all effort down the drain.  Damn It. 

While I'm at it, I might as well put together a MP5K clone and a HK33K.  Better put in for a loan.

Sexy, sexy...

--Dave

 

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CE219D06-7A6B-4CEB-A31F-F554381B78E7This is the one that made me have to get one.

 

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I just ordered a custom Vickers sling from BFG with a Uloop sewn in the front attachment- I'll post feedback once I get it in.

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Gunner posted:

CE219D06-7A6B-4CEB-A31F-F554381B78E7This is the one that made me have to get one.

 

I got to shoot one many moons ago during a firearms instructor course . Lots of fun. The only reason for my ear pro was a guy next to me was blasting a full auto M-16. 

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SD's are really the best way to go suppressed MP5 by a longshot. I don't plan on suppressing my Z5RS, but I'm figuring out how to get a TPM MP5SD in the future. Had I known how much I would drop into this project I might have gone that route from the start- quiet as fuck and running standard 115/124gr. It sounds like a murdering typewriter. 

Watch this video for more info:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...beFSZs07Y&t=289s

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

aegis305 posted:

I reiterate my suggestion that certain LF threads (like this one) should carry a warning label:

MODERATOR WARNING:  READING THIS THREAD MAY CAUSE FINANCIAL DISTRESS.  QUITTING NOW WILL REDUCE SERIOUS RISK TO YOUR WALLET.

That honestly should just be a rider on the Stud Board section.

And I just bought a house, but now I'm on gunbroker.  IL SBRs are a pain to get, but damnit, that looks sweet.

My only experience shooting MP5s came from a ratty, awful, podunk 5k clone, but it was still fun as all get out.  Growing up a kid of the 80s doomed me to always love the MP5.

Dorsai posted:

So who knows a good sling and a good way to sling it?

HKparts has replacement pushpins that double as lowprofile QD sockets. I run this with a Haley Strategic SLK sling in black. Of course the original green HK threepoint sling is well designed and a great option if you take the time to figure it out.

 

 https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...in-Small-5p18071.htm

 

Great write up on the Zenith by the way, I've got a SP5K, and HK94, and recently bought a Zenith Z5RS. I have to say I cannot tell a difference in the finish and welds, and it has been utterly reliable. Between that and the fact that it comes with a three lug barrel, paddle mag release and push pin lower, I would take this over an actual HK SP5K for anyone looking to get into rollerlocks.

Well I guess us poor suckers will have to see how well the PSA clone turns out. Can't say I'd care too much if it's a little rough as long as it runs well. At SHOT there were what, 5 or 6 clone options on display. We spent about 45 min talking with the Zenith folks, got a cool little beanie out of them. Long and short..they're proud of their shit, don't intend to have a more reasonably priced version, so take that loan out boys. 

Lime everyone here, the MP5 is on the want short list, just can't justify the price yet. Maybe if I get some nice inheritance, otherwise I'll have to wait on a sub $1500 reliable clone before I can justify it. I will admit that my Scorpion does help mitigate the want for the MP5 to manageable levels.

And yeah KALTESHERZ.. you suck

UPDATE:

Now that I'm around the 4000+ round mark, I thought I'd check back in and let you know how it's holding up...

(Plus I really wanted to show off my sweet new Star Wars sheets). 

SPOILER ALERT- IT'S FUCKING AWESOME

RELIABILITY:

After my initial review, I had an issue with having a FTF with the last or second to last round in the mag once a range session, then I realized I had a bad mag somewhere that was the likely culprit (I preload all my mags at home and usually bring 6-10 at a time).  So I brought some masking tape with me to the range so I could mark the Gremlin mag and maybe replace the spring... and it hasn't had an issue since. 2000 rounds later it excels at converting my ammo stash into empty brass. I don't know how or why, but I've run every type of FMJ/JHP I could find through it trying to get it to choke again with zero issues. I've even run some steel and aluminum cased stuff without a hiccup. I usually carry 147gr HSTs,  but I stocked up on 124gr HST's for "serious use" as it's zeroed for 124gr FMJ as that's my usual training ammo. 

WEAR AND DURABILITY:

I haven't noticed any advanced wear or durability issues... in fact the only real wear I can find is a little bit of finish rubbed off on the bolt carrier, and some on the ejector. That's pretty much it. Even the original extractor spring, the notorious weak link of HK roller locked goodness, is running strong. I haven't checked bolt gap yet, but everything appears to be running as it should, MKE clearly made and finished it well and it shows (aside from their factory stamp on the magwell, which looks like it needs 3D glasses to be read). 

FLASH HIDER:

I always liked the look of flash hiders on MP5's, but told myself getting one would be overkill... adding unnecessary weight and cost ($100-150) just to look cool. Then I noticed the way I grip the forearm (I have long arms, which is what happens when you're half Chilean and half baby Giraffe), it puts my thumb uncomfortably close to the muzzle. And a flash hider would prevent my thumb from going downrange, so I finally had my excuse!

There's 2 basic designs for FH: the original HK version and the B&T. Both are attached via the 3 lug adapter. The HK version is by far the most common and has 2 Generations, the only difference being the older variant has a larger and easier to use latch- which was discovered to be TOO easy to unlatch and sometimes caused them to come loose and get lost... or shot off (this is why we can't have nice things). The B&T is more modern with a 5 prong open design and comes on and off like a 3 lug suppressor. It's pretty neat. That said it's a freakin' huge and too big for my Surefire, so I went with the HK and opted for a US made copy of the Gen 2. I got it from HKparts.net and was impressed with how well made and finished it came, plus it lacks annoying "USA" markings. Once mounted there was a small (maybe 2mm) of lateral play, but with the Surefire light on the forearm contacts it enough to take out all movement and the whole set up is rock solid. 

Another benefit of the FH is it keeps the carbon and blastwear to a minimum on the Surefire bezel. With a bare muzzle it adds a fair amount of carbon every range trip, and a lot won't come off- not to mention it didn't take long to actually start removing the finish. The FH drastically reduces the carbon, makes clean up way easier, and so far zero finish wear. I used a new bezel when I added the FH and comparing the two (with similar round counts) shows a clear improvement.

Plus did I mention it fucking looks cool? Oh, and it might help reduce muzzle flash too. Whatever.

 

FRONT SIGHT POST:

When shooting outdoors the original plain black front sight worked well, but when shooting indoors sometimes it was hard to get a crisp sight picture- especially when shooting black targets. I decided to try upgrading it and found that XS makes a "drop in" replacement with a tritium insert and a small white outline around it. When I got it I discovered that it needed a bit of fitting as the base was too thick, but luckily my GF is a watch maker and busted out a small file set, and after a few min got it on. It's sightly larger (wider) than the original front sight, but makes a nice and crisp sight picture. Plus the tritium is makes it easy to pick up in low light, and rear inserts aren't needed- my cheek weld automatically lines them up with no effort with either fixed or folding stocks.

HK NON F A3 STOCK:

The newer F A3 stocks seem a little long at times, so I was curious if the older non F stocks would be more comfortable. But since they've been out of production since the 90's they're hard to find in good shape and even in craptastic condition command a premium. I found one on the HKpro EE that was in pretty good shape for a great price, so I jumped on it like Elvis on a glazed ham. It was from a former Police gun, but didn't see that much use and only real wear was around the sling loop. It's actually harder to put on than my ATI F stock knock off- I have to depress the latch slightly to get it to go on completely, meanwhile the ATI copy slips on like your mom after a few drinks. Except unlike your mom, it still locks up tight. The shorter LOP and the non rubber buttpad is nice but I'm still debating which one I prefer in the end... if I decide to keep the pre F stock I'll probably have it refinished. The earlier ones had all metal latchwork and are easy to take apart/refinish, but sadly mine is the later production with polymer parts so there's a risk something will break when taking them apart/together for refinishing.

Here you can see all 3 stocks from longest LOP to shortest. 

If you take out the A2, it's easier to see the LOP difference

 

SLINGS:

Since I'm clearly trying too hard to make neutered 9mm carbines relevant, I needed a good sling. If I was truly trying to bring back the 80's I'd throw on an HK 3 point- or worse a 90's 1 point abomination. So a adjustable 2 point it is, and I've been using BFG Vickers slings since I was PV1 Kaltesherz in 2007, so I looked into my options on that route. BFG makes everything a growing boy could ask for when it comes to slings, and instead of the usual HK sling hook (which can rattle or worse- scratch up the Uber finish of my gat), they have something called a ULoop. 

It's a simple coated metal wire that attaches easily to slings, almost tailor made for HK front attachments. While I could have just got a standard Vickers sling and threaded on a ULoop, I decided to use their website to order a custom sling from them. Usually the Vickers slings have the adjustment loop is made out of a different color webbing so they can easily be identified (for black slings the loop is grey), but with the custom option I could order an all black sling, and who are you kidding- who doesn't want a murdered out sling? If you're going target-indicator-black, you gotta own it. Oh, and I got the ULoop sewn in too, that way it'd be a little more streamlined and less clutter. 

My custom sling showed up quickly (around a week), and on my A2 fixed stock setup could only be described as TITTIES. Fast, comfortable, and slick. That set up is definitely the all business way to run an MP5, whether you're raiding a LA drug house circa 1994 or mag dumping a pickup in Utah last month- it just screams "Please try me, I want paid time off and the wife's been asking to go to Cabo". 

Then I put it on one of my A3 stocks and discovered because the rear sling loop was on the rear receiver, when shouldering while slung the webbing would frequently bunch up by my face. Not a deal breaker, but pretty annoying. A lot had to do with the thicker, stiffer webbing used by BFG in their slings, so I decided to try a sling made out of softer nylon, so I picked up a MagPul 2 point. It was much better, and after playing around noticed that I could eliminate the problem entirely if I slinged my MP5 more like a SAW than an M4- i.e. over my support shoulder vs under it. Not really practical, but it works.

CONCLUSION:

I love this thing. It goes with me every time I hit the range and never gets old. I find it really easy to get solid hits on steel out to 100m or so while standing, and even new shooters are face shooting paper targets in no time. MKE has a long history of making military grade durable guns and it shows. I know 9mm PCC market is getting a little crowded, with a lot of MP5 options showing up or due to show up, but I feel MKE's durability and reliability plus Zenith's excellent customer service this makes it a no brainer. Yes, it's pricey... but it works and works well. Did I mention it's sexy as all get out? Little Timmy and Suzie don't need a college fund, just a recruiters card anyway right?

PS- thanks to DORSAI for helping with posting pics!

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

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You could take this post and pics, trim it up a bit, and easily get published and make $300-400 for your trouble...it’s that good.

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I'll add to that.  I have genuinely been inspired by this series.  Somewhere, deeply suppressed in my soul, was the desire to have an MP-5.  I never thought it doable.  I've fired them semi and auto, and always thought them super cool.  Now, I may actually plan to get one.  And you, sir, layed out the methodology to get one (built right) without starting from $5k and working up from there. 

Don't come by my house, as my wife may learn who you are, what you are responsible for, and poison you.

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I'll add that your commentary is very fun.  Your similes make me laugh.

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Yeah... I had a knockoff (Special Weapons) HK94 clone and sold it when I didn't have a good reason to use it, but it was fun as hell. 

Wish you would stop talking about this, making me think how cool it would be to get one of these, and another Form 4. And a 9mm suppressor I think. 

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Your heart may be cold, but your typing finger is hot. That review was glorious. I might have partial wood. I'm too old to tell anymore. I'll have the wife check when she gets home from work. 

Now I want an MP-5 clone. Bastard. 

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Joined: 12-2005          Location: Central OK

I really, really hate Gremlins.  Just went to get my A2 stock and now I can't fight it.  Was it in my MKE box?  Of course not, why would it be with the rest of the stuff!

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Slightly off topic, but this has made me want to bust out my GSG-5P that I've got SBR'd... But the collapsible stock is wobbly and sucks and I still need to figure out a way to use my Sparrow with it... .22 MP-5 fakery is real fun. 

 

 

 

 

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Gemtech used to make a faux 3 lug adaptor that the end would screw off.  That end was threaded for .22 suppressors.  I did a quick search for it on Gemtech's website but didn't see it listed anymore.  I don't know if you Google'ed it if you could find one somewhere.

Joined: 11/08/03          Location:  Central Indiana

Nice writeup and I think you have pushed me to get one.  Now, I have an AR pistol so I have no real need for a 9mm carbine, but damn it, I want one anyhow.

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Location: Southern New Hampshire

Moustache_6 posted:

@kaltesherz

Have you considered adding the new Franklin Armory binary trigger to it ?

 

Nope, not at all. They're expensive (even by MP5 standards, which is a REALLY bad sign) and I view them kind of like a fancy bumpstock- plus I find them a bit unsafe since my mind would have to be rewired to run it right. They're a gimmick. YMMV. 

I'm glad some of you enjoyed my review, and if you now are seriously trying to get yourself a St. McClaine special... because that was the point. I've been in love with the MP5 from movies / tv shows my whole adult life, and when I actually got trigger time on them (select fire examples) I wasn't disappointed in the least- it just made me want one that much more. Thing is, I didn't think it was possible. I could either sell a kidney / start my own cartel to buy a HK94 and SBR it, or I could get a Special Weapons abortion that looked and functioned like it was assembled by monkey's fired by Century Arms for shoddy Quality Control, who then picked up a serious drug habit. Either way I couldn't see an MP5 in my future. And then it was, I got one, and I'm so happy I did. 

So then I felt like I needed to covert others to the Cult of MP5 and show them the path to rollerlocked happiness and / or relationship problems. And now is the best time with some great options and more coming (who may or may not be decent and will probably cost a lot more than they're hyping). So get on this shit when the going is good. 

If you guys have any questions, please let me know. There's a lot more stuff I've learned over the past 14-15 months than I posted in here.

Oh, and around Aug I plan on using my reenlistment bonus to pick up a TPM MP5SD. You think this was bad, wait till I get my Murder Typewriter... 

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

kaltesherz posted:

....That set up is definitely the all business way to run an MP5, whether you're raiding a LA drug house circa 1994 or mag dumping a pickup in Utah last month- it just screams "Please try me, I want paid time off and the wife's been asking to go to Cabo". ....

 

 Priceless.

 

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"Don't forget your stick Lieutenant."

 

"Rather, Sir. Wouldn't want to face a Jerry machine gun without this."

If you have an MP5, you're not poor. You're just unable to buy more ammo / accessories for the time being...

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

I'm sure it makes it much more shootable, but as a purist...

(Sorry that was the best MP5 "Stop, Hammerzeit" pic I could find. If you have a better one let me know)

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

Congrats! Now time to stock up on POF mags from RTG and Form 1 that...

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

Yep, got 7 mags in (6 curved POF, 1 stick from HKParts) - might do another mag order. Trying to track down a Surefire 628 foregrip and once I finish moving it's getting a Form 1. I picked up an HK flash hider for it but it's a .40/10mm one so I'll see if a knurled thread protector will make up the difference or if I need to get a 9mm flash hider. I'm also going to do what you did and pick up a Navy ambi lower - this metal one is tearing up my knuckle.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

PlasticMag posted:

 Trying to track down a Surefire 628 foregrip 

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...-Forearm-75p2204.htm

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"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." - R. Heinlen

 

Joined:  1/30/05           Location: Graham, Wa

If you keep an eye on EE on HKpro the older ones (like mine) show up pretty often around $100-140, or check out gatewoodsupply.com (their stuff always seems to be in better condition than they advertise).

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

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