Dan, I appreciate it but for that price I could have picked up a new KAC MP5 RAS!

I had one bookmarked on Gatewood but I went to go buy it today and it was sold out. He has an LED one on GB that I might pick up and swap out the module for but the pressure pad is cracked and I don't know how easy those are to repair.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

Email Gatewood, they have great customer service and get MP5 stuff in all the time. Wait for a good one, they're pretty common.

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

Am I correct that this Navy grip will work with the Zenith trigger pack, only requiring some fitting and the new selector levers?

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...ush-Pin-242p2462.htm

This one looks better.

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...pped-Pinned-p163.htm

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...9&idOptionArray=

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Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

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Dorsai posted:

Am I correct that this Navy grip will work with the Zenith trigger pack, only requiring some fitting and the new selector levers?

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...ush-Pin-242p2462.htm

This one looks better.

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...pped-Pinned-p163.htm

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...9&idOptionArray=

The top grip will work with your MKE trigger pack, the bottom two only work with the ambi trigger pack. If you want to go that route this is the best option:

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...mi-Only-89p17238.htm

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

So, I have to wonder.  Hypothetically, if one were to be in possession of a registered Fleming HK sear pack....

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Embracing the Pink Bunny

Well, darn. I just picked up an immaculate 628 forend, ambi lower, and HK A3 stock. Oh yeah and a flash hider...

Now I’m looking at optic options. This is getting out of hand.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

PlasticMag posted:

Well, darn. I just picked up an immaculate 628 forend, ambi lower, and HK A3 stock. Oh yeah and a flash hider...

Now I’m looking at optic options. This is getting out of hand.

SO IT BEGINS...

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

steveg2 posted:

Tim's Range and gunstore in Westfield, IND have one for a mere $1999.99 that they let me drool on yesterday.  Anyone want to gift me the 2K for  a purchase???

Sure if you move to Reno and bring it with you for me to play with, too. 

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Joined: 9/30/09
Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

Zenith got a shipment in recently, so they're trickling back out...

https://www.hkspecialiststore....&sortBy=sequence

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SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

Need to get back in the same state as my Z5, I want to SBR that thing.  Would really like to pick up one of the SD models atlantic arms sales but need to scrape some cash together.

"A pirate is not the sort of a man who generally cares to pay his bills...and after a time the work of endeavoring to collect debts from pirates was given up."

          -Frank R. Stockton

Moving right along. Need an extended SEF lever for the polymer lower, a rail mount for the Bushnell, and the rest of the 922r parts. Gonna kick it like it’s 2002!

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

PlasticMag posted:

 

Moving right along. Need an extended SEF lever for the polymer lower, a rail mount for the Bushnell, and the rest of the 922r parts. Gonna kick it like it’s 2002!

I've heard this is a decent copy of the B&T low mount

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kley-...t-Mount/390634897879

SEF extended selector

https://www.robertrtg.com/stor...TIC-LOWER-2p3279.htm

HKparts and RTG parts both have a great selection of 922r stuff. 

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...-Parts-922r-c235.htm

https://www.robertrtg.com/stor...-Compliance-c123.htm

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SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

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kaltesherz posted:
PlasticMag posted:

 

Moving right along. Need an extended SEF lever for the polymer lower, a rail mount for the Bushnell, and the rest of the 922r parts. Gonna kick it like it’s 2002!

I've heard this is a decent copy of the B&T low mount

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kley-...t-Mount/390634897879

...

 

Never had that part, but got a couple other Kley-Zion mounts and they are almost annoyingly good for the price. Not at all airsoft/chicom zinc or low-grade aluminum, but seemingly (I didn't go get RC hardness, get them x-rayed...) legit quality and no trickery. I'd believe that one.

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

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kaltesherz posted:
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Unfortunately the rail is for an Aimpoint, I need more clearance for the Bushnell so I’ll have to buy an MFI long rail, chop it short, clean it up, and hit it with alumablack.

I’ve got the 922r parts picked out, just waiting for some cash to free up before I buy them, and an SEF lever is now on the way!

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

I think that I've settled on a set up pending the Form 1. The KAC rail with a Surefire M600U w/ pushbutton on an RM45 is the hotness. Easy to shoot, easy to use. Broke this in at a shinding up this way that sak45acp put together and it was a hoot to shoot.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

I know terminal ballistics are going to a separate variable, but what’s your max eff. range with that setup?

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

                                                                                                                        —T. E. Lawrence

 

 

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I’ve only taken it to 50yds, but I’d imagine I’d be good to 200m+ Using the Aimpoint. Maybe 300m but I doubt that’ll do more than tickle!

The dot makes aiming easy and I’m truthfully surprised by how easy to use and controllable the MP5 is. There is next to no recoil.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

I do not off the top of my head have the figures, but 9mm will ring gongs real good at 300, so I think out to there at least I wouldn't mind taking the shot.

Holdover can be a bear OTOH. I've said it before, but I shot a 9mm at a rifle match once, and at 300 I was holding 15 ft high. If you know it, you can hit, but it's hard to do with an RDS alone. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

UPDATE PART 2, SON OF UPDATE (THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL)

I'm now well past 5000+ rounds, and pretty much out of 9mm so I figured it was time for another update.

RELIABILITY:

Still running like a raped ape with outstanding warrants. It's been at least 3000-3500 rounds since I had a malfunction, and those were probably mag related. Running almost exclusively 124gr, mix of GECO and Speer Lawman for the most part, through POF and MKE mags. While I have some HK mags stashed away, I've been stocking up on POF mags as they're plentiful and only $30 a pop- 100% reliable and seem very well built (plus growing up during the 1994-2004 AWB makes me a total mag whore).  Speaking of whores, it blows through mags like your ex-wife went through dudes on your last deployment... yeah, that fast. 

WEAR AND DURABILITY:

The extractor spring is still working great and doesn't seem to be nearly the issue people make it out to be. Then again I'm running good ammo, mags, and under clean conditions so it's not exactly a hostile environment. I haven't noticed any excess or unnatural wear either. There's a small area near the ejection port where the finish is starting to wear from brass impacts, but even that's kinda hard to see unless looking for it. 

I finally checked the bolt gap, and after 5000+ rounds it's at .016, which is really impressive. I didn't check the gap when I got it, but it's supposed to be around .018 new.  It's hard to find a definitive set of numbers for the low end, but I've heard anything from .010 to .005, so clearly it's holding up well and has a lot more life in it. 

MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING

I've been using Fireclean to lube it the whole time and it seems to be doing well. It stays as wet as your mom during Fleet Week and is just as dirty after (but unlike her wipes clean for the most part). Only a few places build up carbon, like the bolt head. I've read in the SMG experiences thread that a lot of people have had issues with MP5's if the bold head isn't kept clean- but I didn't even notice the carbon build up until about 2000 rounds through it. I usually clean it after every range session with a brass brush and a little dental tool action, it only takes a minute or so.

Before (this is only after 4 mags, it's usually much worse):

After:

I take off the flash hider and clean out the carbon on the muzzle every 400-800 rounds to keep it from building up to the point that it might "weld" on the FH or effect accuracy. I always put a bit of Fireclean back on the FH and the 3 lug, and so far it comes off pretty easy. The muzzle on the other hand, not so much. For some reason carbon builds up there quickly, FH or not, and can take a bit for elbow grease to get off (that's what she said?). I just take off the thread protector and use a brass brush and boresnake. 

Before:

After:

SPENT BRASS

Roller locked guns are kinda known for sending brass into low earth orbit, but the MP5 doesn't seem to be nearly as bad as it's 7.62 and 5.56 counterparts. Kicks it about 15 feet or so to my 2 o'clock, with some mild to moderate denting.

But does it flute? Oh fuck yeah, it flutes HARD.

Ok ok, those are pretty weak examples, they get a lot more obvious as the gun gets dirtier. Not a big deal, and helps keeping that asshole next to you at the range from claiming it's his.

IT'S NOT A CLONE FOR FUCKS SAKE

I frequently hear the MKE made guns are clones, as only HK made goodness is the real deal. 

EAT. A. DICK. Seriously. It's license made under HK guidance in a real military national arsenal, that have been making MP5's for years. Sure, it's not as pretty in some ways as a HK made one, nor does it have the resale value. But it does have this:

What are you looking at? 2 things civilian HK guns don't have: a paddle mag release and it's a true 2 pin lower. Yes, you can add an aftermarket paddle release (and trust me you'll want to, changing mags without it is awkward as fuck), but it'll cost you a bit more scratch. And while the 2 pin lower doesn't effect function, it's how real MP5's are set up. The more you know...

MP5 PORN

Yeah, that's right- you didn't think you'd get a book report when you clicked on this, lucky you...

Heckler & Koch's MP5 Submachine Gun by Frank W. James

Long out of print but still able to be found, this is full of decent info on the history of the MP5 as well as some very dated training tips (this is from the early 90's). More of a detailed source than the other, the author clearly knows his shit and went through official HK MP5 training stateside so it's very thorough for it's time. It's also a nice time capsule to show you how much things have changed since then, with some very cringe worthy pictures of US Law Enforcement chicken winging, using drop legs, and a lot more pre GWOT stuff. 

The MP5 Submachine Gun by Leroy Thompson

Much more current and better info on international operational usage than the previous book, just less technical details.  It's less user level info and more international military and law enforcement history but still has a decent background on how the MP5 came to be (Teutonic SMG Messiah?) and it's different variants. It's also got some pretty cheesy "in action" illustrations for your inner 12 year old. Also still in print and fairly easy to find. 

GSG9 German Response to Terrorism by some turbo krauts

This is an early 1980's book that I figured would have some awesome MP5 spank bank pics and info, but found that it's a mildly awkward translation of a German fluff/propaganda  piece on the unit. Still kinda cool, but a big let down overall. 

ERTL Force One MP5K

Nope, not a book... it's a metal toy that converts from MP5A2 to MP5SDA2 (and not an MP5K like it's called). I got one when I was a kid in the early 90's, and found another recently on eBay. Not only does it switch from regular to SD, but the mag comes out and it has an old school German starlight scope that looks awkward as fuck on an SMG. Man, times have changed...

NEGATIVES

Honestly there's only one real negative that I've found with my gun, and that's the changing handle rattles. It came tight, and like your mom on prom night, quickly got a little loose. It just rattles around a bit. And while I know some play is normal on MP5's, mine is a bit worse than any other MP5 I've played with, quite a bit worse. It seems like the changing handle support hole is a bit too big, and replacing that part would require taking off the cocking tube, which is welded on. I actually sent it back to Zenith, who paid shipping both ways and I had it back nice and tight again in a few days. But like before, within a range session or two, it was loose again. Not a huge deal, and I've gotten pretty used to it, but still something I thought I'd mention.

IN CLOSING

Reportedly Zenith is getting in another shipment next month, so remember:

"Bankruptcy may be on your credit score for 7 years, but the awesomeness of owning an MP5 lasts forever"

Plus chicks dig MP5s, and dicks don't suck themselves.  Whatever. Just get one. 

PRAISE THE FALLEN

SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

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That starlight scope is an Orion 80 I, a cascading Gen 1 scope. They are pretty easy to track down in the $700 or so range, and not as heavy as they look. Very good light gathering (being essentially 3 Gen 1 tubes end to end) but lights flare them out bad. Also, you could drive nails with the thing and I don't think it would care. Very sturdy scope.

Learn how to talk and how to fight, if you can't do one you'll be doing a lot of the other.

Great, now you have me looking up Orion 80 / Fero Z51 scopes... FML...

 

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1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

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kaltesherz posted:

...IT'S NOT A CLONE FOR FUCKS SAKE

I frequently hear the MKE made guns are clones, as only HK made goodness is the real deal. 

EAT. A. DICK. Seriously. It's license made under HK guidance in a real military national arsenal, that have been making MP5's for years. Sure, it's not as pretty in some ways as a HK made one, nor does it have the resale value. But it does have this:

...[fuck you and your forward pin you son of a bitch]...

Agree entirely. How many of you are driving Japanese pickups made in Indiana, or German cars made in Mexico (me!). Contract guns aren't clones and having had a 94 clone back in the day, that's pretty obvious in your review and reliability ratings! 

 

kaltesherz posted:

Great, now you have me looking up Orion 80 / Fero Z51 scopes... FML...

Just be glad we've only got you on Gen1 cascades. Should I point you to the PVS30 thread? Okay, let's stay period correct and collectible like your paper: how about trying to chase down an Aiming Point Projector? Or a Hensoldt Reflex Sight? 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

I almost picked up one of these out of curiosity- hell the mount alone is worth the price:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1365020

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1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

Not the one I was thinking of, but I agree that's probably worth having just for the mount. It's pretty cool. 

Be extra awesome to actually upgrade the internals. Set some custom light guy on it, get what, 10,000l out of it

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

Kaltesherz, I just got off the phone with Zenith after waiting for my order since January.   I’ll have you know the gentleman informed me there are “millions of dollars worth of backorders” waiting to be filled - I feel like you and your damn reviews are responsible for at least 60% of those dollars, since the supply dried up shortly after you started this thread.  Just thought you’d like to know...

Damn you. I used to be a happy person. 

--Dave

 

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally."

You're welcome.

BTW I'm North of 6.5k rounds through it - still mines brass directly out of my bank account and gets fingered by more dudes at the range than your mom at the Homecoming dance.

I replaced the tritium front sight with the original to get a more precise sight picture and changed out the recoil spring with a HK as I'm not sure how often I should be changing it (I'm sure it has a lot more life). Extractor spring still going strong too.

Aside from those early mag related issues, zero malfunctions of any type for thousands of rounds.

Here's my old lady getting get delayed roller locked goodness on at 25yards

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SSG Kevin Roberts KIA 7-May-08         SPC Peter Courcy KIA 10-Feb-09

1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

Both currently pistols then? 

Gonna SBR both? 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

Sans Pants posted:

I managed to resist the urge until I was offered a deal on this package. Down the rabbit hole and I could not be happier. 

 

Image result for stan south park jizz

Well played... well played indeed...

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1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

kaltesherz posted:
Sans Pants posted:

I managed to resist the urge until I was offered a deal on this package. Down the rabbit hole and I could not be happier. 

 

Image result for stan south park jizz

Well played... well played indeed...

How's your refractory period?

IGR013s

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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How's your refractory period?

IGR013s

Compensating much?

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1Lt Nick Dewhirst KIA 20-July-08          PFC Jason Watson KIA 10-Feb-09

CPL Charles Gaffney KIA 24-Dec-08

 

Joined: 2/21/04          Location: Seattle,  WA

Oh God no.  Now I am...

IGR001s

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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What, no KAC RAS Aimpoint? I'm disappointed in you... 

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