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jcustisredux posted:

What sort of accuracy are you getting on these?  I remember them as fairly good when I was AD as a young troop, but we weren’t shooting them past 25m.

Off hand very easy to get consistent hits on IPSC A-C at 100-125 meters, I've shot mine at 25 off a rest and got about 2" groups. 

I'll try to shoot a group and post the results soon as it's about time for an 8k round update. 

Agree with the above. My last range trip was out to 100m, all hits were solid center mass with 124gr and a standard IPSC. I've noticed that the 25/100m zero for 124gr is pretty much consistent, and the iron sight accuracy with the MP5 is really good (I do have a larger XS front sight which covers part of the target at >50m). Shooting from the bench I can get 2-3" groups depending on ammo. It loves Federal 124gr and MagTech 115gr and 124gr, but some of the cheaper ammo (Remington UMC or Winchester White Box 115gr) opens up a lot. Even just shooting full semi-auto (hah!) it's ridiculously easy to keep rounds center mass and tight. I've got a new appreciation for its legacy the more I shoot it, to be honest. It's just a good, accurate gun.

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DirtySanchez posted:

I was stressing over my dream of getting an MP5 clone, preferably as an MP5K-PDW SBR.  They are expensive, and can be a wait to get.  I recently got a CZ Scorpion pistol, at half the price.   I'm done with the MP5 thing, now.  That CZ is a really fun piece.  I will SBR it, soon.  And, 30 round mags from Midway are $20.  Just something to think about.

Oh I can fix that "I'm done with the MP5 thing", just let me know when you want to hit the range with mine. I have 2 buddies with Scorps and they won't even bring them out if I'm bringing my MP5...

CZ Scorpion is by far the most economical / practical way to get into the 9mm Pseudo SMG game. Easy to find, cheap, cheap mags, and even lots of aftermarket accessories. But it's straight blowback, so not nearly as controllable or smooth. Trust me I get it, I almost went that route after crunching the numbers... but I realized after getting one I'd STILL want an MP5, so I punched my bank account in the throat and said "fuck it".  

Comparing the MP5 and the CZ Scorpion is like comparing apples and oranges.  They are both fruit, they both taste great, you can do a lot with either one, including some stuff which doesn't work well with the other.    I enjoy shooting my Zenith.  I will enjoy it even more with the Magpul upgrades.  Part of the pleasure is emotional.  You pick it up and images of the SAS storming the Iranian embassy, Die Hard, etc., etc., etc. flash through your brain.  It works well, but it isn't perfect.  The Sig MPX has a lot of ergonomic improvements such as the selector, mag release, charging handle, etc.  But it's heavy, I hate the cheese grater metal forearm and the buttstock.   

I thought about getting a Scorpion and decided not to.  Then.  The free market has addressed things I didn't like and I'll probably get one of the carbines this year.  I like the carbine forearm much more than the pistol version.  I handled the modified Magpul version at SHOT and it is SWEET.  Zhukov stock and an adapter is a GREAT combination.  A grip replacement makes a big difference in the feel (and looks).  There are several aftermarket replacements for the right side safety lever so it doesn't dig into your trigger finger.  Rob Ski has been running the snot out of one and it has been reliable, accurate and durable.  So I've got my Zenith SBR (for fun) and I'll almost certainly get the Scorpion too.  I had thought about the Ruger PCC, but for me, it's only plus over the tricked out Scorpion is that it's half the cost.  Since these are mainly fun guns, I'll spend a little more and get more fun out of it.

https://assets.shootingillustrated.com/media/1877870/magpul-cz-usa-scorpion-furniture.jpg?preset=article

And in slightly less than a year, CZ now offers a factory Magpul edition of the Scorpion. And I should mention, that while Magpul makes the Zhukov folding stock, they didn't make the adapter.  That was another company.  So CZ made a deal with them as well.

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-...bine-magpul-edition/

https://cdn.cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/19z_ScorpionCarbieMagpulEditionFauxSuppressor_R.png

MSRP is $1,241.

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Sure. For all of you guys running Vickers Machineguns, Model of 1915  (attached 4.9 MB PDF)

 

 

That would have been useful 4 years ago when I found a Vickers in A'stan. 

Tankersteve

The Portuguese one?

Former British Army to Portugal, converted to 8mm Mauser, and on to A'stan and a supply shelf in Khost - yes, that one.  Still haven't been to the ADA Museum at Fort Sill to see if it made it back here.

Tankersteve

Ok, time to ask for some assistance.  I just spent twenty minutes re-reading this thread (and it wasn't a waste, it was pure pleasure), but it didn't address my issue.  I need a light.  I have procrastinated getting a Surefire forend with light, and now that Magpul finally shipped their stuff, my Zenith has the Magpul lower, extended selector switch, and fore-end.  All are much more ergonomic than the stock.  But I'm running up against a brick wall when it comes to mounting a light.  The fore-end, even on a full size gun, doesn't have much real-estate.  Has anyone figured out an effective way to mount a light?  

SF used to have a clunky ring that clamped on oddly, but this is a slicker version of that. Handled something like it long ago, seemed fine. 

https://hkparts.net/product/pi...ght-tower-p16672.htm

Since stupidly not shown in context, if not following, remove the front takedown pin, put this on whichever side you like, screw it down through the takedown pin hole. Handguard then doesn't come off without screwdriver (so?) and you get a mounting point firmly, to steel, off the side, front edge of the handguard.  Left and thumb-activated normal light goes in a ring, say. 

I'd do this if I ever went for another MP5 thing. Also not crazy expensive so if hated or temporary, NBD. 

Biggest issue is your barrel length. If SMG sized, a long light will get in front of the muzzle or interfere with the suppressor. So get a short light? X300? 

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Those are some good ideas.  Here is a pic of the Magpul handguard.

MAGPUL SL HAND GUARD - HK94/MP5®

I'm thinking of attaching one of the short Magpul VFG's.  I can use an Arisaka inline scout mount using the Mlok slot on the right side.  Run the cord around the rear of the VFG to the left side and mount the pressure pad there.  Similar to this, which I just found.

Magpul Releases Enhancements for MP5s and Clones -The Firearm Blog

I don't use a VFG to hold onto, it's more a large handstop.  Fingers wrap around the front, but the hand is kind of wedged between the handguard and VFG, thumb pointing forward.  

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Malkov makes replacement bodies/heads for the Surefire fore ends.  Their replacement heads for hand held surefires are pretty well regarded.

https://malkoffdevices.com/col...ight-to-fit-surefire

MDSFFE2_2000x

Decent article on lighting options if you are trying to run an MP-5 suppressed.

https://www.thefirearmblog DOT com/blog/2019/06/07/friday-night-lights-illuminating-a-suppressed-mp5/

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@Community Member posted:

Dorsai in your series of pics. 2 show an AP T1 on top, who makes the rail in the pic. w/ the MP handguard & UNC what the attachment device is in your 3rd pic. in the 1st group.

Assuming you mean these pics, I'll provide what information I can.  They came from doing a search for MP5 Magpul.

Magpul® SL Hand Guard - HK94/MP5®

This pic is Magpul's.  I have no idea who made the rail.  https://magpul.com/what-s-new/...?mp_global_color=118

Magpul for your Maschinenpistole!

This pic is from TFB

https://www.thefirearmblog.com...ul-mp5-enhancements/

Ok, got a plan.  I have the tape switch shown in one of the photos above.  Had to look in my box of Surefire accessories and I had a couple of them, including a couple of other tape switches with pic rail mounts.  Checked my box of old AR stuff and I have the Magpul MOE tape switch mounting plate.  Doesn't work with the M-LOK handguard, so I have one on order.  It appears they are on backorder.  I have an Arisaka inline Scout light mount, currently in service on another rifle with a Keymod rail.  So I ordered the M-LOK version, which will arrive on Sunday.  Yeah.  Amazon Prime and it's cheaper than Brownells!

I may get the XS Sights replacement front sight, but I've got to search for prices and since I'll have a light on the gun, I may ultimately conclude it isn't necessary.

Optics.  This is another issue.  I tried an Aimpoint T-1 clone and that's a no go.  Small window largely obscured by the iron sights.  Too much clutter made it almost unusable for my eyes.  Tried the same sight on a high mount intended for an AR and it was way too high.  Barely a chin weld.  Ironically, because of the big hole in the Daniel Defense mount, the iron sights were visible.  But since that wasn't the point, still a no go.  I may try an Aimpoint PRO with a low mount.  It will sit higher than the T-1 and has a larger window, so it might work.

@Dorsai



Here's my setup - A3 stock, MI rail, short MLOK segment to hold a TLR VIR II (I need to grab an Arisaka low pro but not a priority), and a Form 1 can I brewed up. Aimpoint optics mount with a Holosun 403B.


I clamp the MP5 to activate the light, which has a secondary bonus of perfectly positioning my hand to run the charging handle. I can easily do either constant-on or temporary activation. The IR laser/illum isn't super strong but it's pretty much perfect for this platform.


And here's how I butchered the Holosun mount to run with irons. I very much love being able to run this with a heads up orientation. I plan to replace the 403B with a 500-series Holosun at some point, but this does just fine for now on a PCC.

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@Community Member posted:

Assuming you mean these pics, I'll provide what information I can.  They came from doing a search for MP5 Magpul.

 

This pic is Magpul's.  I have no idea who made the rail.  https://magpul.com/what-s-new/...?mp_global_color=118

 

This pic is from TFB

https://www.thefirearmblog.com...ul-mp5-enhancements/

These guns were built for Magpul by Dakota Tactical. The lower blaster has a pic rail instead of the sight tower, which was a request from Duane Liptak IIRC.

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